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And since when are you a trained eye? LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM
I'm not an embryologist, but I have a feeling I've had more education on the subject than you. Yes there are differences, but for the most part, the early stages of development are identical in almost every single mammalian species.

Scientists cannot even define what makes up a persona, much less what causes it and when it develops.

Many, many people disagree entirely with your opinion that someone is a "person" at conception. There is no definitive proof for either side.

But going with the assumption that one is a person with full rights upon conception, we then have doctors and families in a very difficult position. Potentially lose yourself/wife/signficiant-other? Lose a child you do not know and have no attachment to (beyond hormonal drive)? Both are horrible outomes and it is an incredibly difficult decision to make. One that requires a great deal of opinion to come to. In the case of a mother's safety, how can you force someone to make that call in either direction?

Isn't that what freedom of choice is about?

Of course, then you have all the legal ramifications of defining a zygote as a human being. If a woman drinks while she is 2 weeks pregnant, is she guilty of child abuse? If she miscarries during a car accident, is the guilty party tried for manslaughter? If a husband hits his pregnant wife, should he be tried twice for domestic abuse? If someone accidently aborts their child through ignorance (ex. certain herbs or medications), should they be tried in court? Could the father sue?


It is simply my opinion that it is unethical to make abortions illegal since the definition of when a zygote becomes a human being is nonexistent and to outlaw it would put a definitively human woman in a position for risk.
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 2139 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 1578 Views
agreed... somewhat. - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 1518 Views
See, that's the debate here... - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 1224 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 1230 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 673 Views
was it the dog comparison? - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 1338 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 1224 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 1268 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 1264 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 1563 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 1382 Views
Shall we be technical.... - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 1250 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 1401 Views
A valid question - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 1121 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 1258 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 1233 Views
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Then we are in accord. - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 1277 Views
That works.... - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 1280 Views
And I think that is wonderful. - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 1388 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 1401 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 1437 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 1469 Views
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at your - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 1261 Views
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Exactly - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 1114 Views
Smiles.... - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 1341 Views
just because you believe in god - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 1184 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 687 Views
Re: Smiles.... - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 1281 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 1298 Views
Who says? - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 1269 Views
You're not "open" to anything. - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 1382 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 1375 Views
Personally speaking - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 1164 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 683 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 1416 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 1332 Views
Because we're His children - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 1362 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 1198 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4617 Views
Tolerance much? - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 1430 Views
I took care of that. - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 1362 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 1120 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 1110 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 1153 Views
Your comment is rude and narrow minded. Regardless of what emotion you feel - 28/01/2010 03:20:11 PM 1199 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 1318 Views
Well there is a difference between... - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 1499 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 1257 Views
Says the Protestant. - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 1258 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 697 Views
United Church of Christ - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 1168 Views
I don't think it is the same thing - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 1227 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 1121 Views
that I can agree with - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 1132 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 1309 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 1343 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 1314 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 1328 Views
Heh. *NM* - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 689 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 1318 Views
agreed *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 691 Views
this. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 590 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 1221 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 1334 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 1464 Views
Bingo. - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 953 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 1290 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 1106 Views
"the buggery agenda" - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 1352 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 677 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 1462 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 1331 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 1237 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 1191 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 1283 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 660 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 546 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 694 Views
The funny thing is - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 1531 Views
Oh no you di'in't! - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 1051 Views
I had a similar thought... - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 1308 Views
*NM* - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 629 Views
*brain explodes* - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 1092 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 639 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 1372 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 1056 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 1238 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 1155 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 638 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 989 Views
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more like.... - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 1460 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 1225 Views
Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 1165 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 1205 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 1019 Views
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That is unfair on me - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 1358 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 1226 Views
Apology accepted - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 1073 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 1220 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 1327 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 1056 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 1253 Views
Ah, - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 1216 Views
No. - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 1221 Views

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