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And since when are you a trained eye? LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM
I'm not an embryologist, but I have a feeling I've had more education on the subject than you. Yes there are differences, but for the most part, the early stages of development are identical in almost every single mammalian species.

Scientists cannot even define what makes up a persona, much less what causes it and when it develops.

Many, many people disagree entirely with your opinion that someone is a "person" at conception. There is no definitive proof for either side.

But going with the assumption that one is a person with full rights upon conception, we then have doctors and families in a very difficult position. Potentially lose yourself/wife/signficiant-other? Lose a child you do not know and have no attachment to (beyond hormonal drive)? Both are horrible outomes and it is an incredibly difficult decision to make. One that requires a great deal of opinion to come to. In the case of a mother's safety, how can you force someone to make that call in either direction?

Isn't that what freedom of choice is about?

Of course, then you have all the legal ramifications of defining a zygote as a human being. If a woman drinks while she is 2 weeks pregnant, is she guilty of child abuse? If she miscarries during a car accident, is the guilty party tried for manslaughter? If a husband hits his pregnant wife, should he be tried twice for domestic abuse? If someone accidently aborts their child through ignorance (ex. certain herbs or medications), should they be tried in court? Could the father sue?


It is simply my opinion that it is unethical to make abortions illegal since the definition of when a zygote becomes a human being is nonexistent and to outlaw it would put a definitively human woman in a position for risk.
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 2139 Views
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agreed... somewhat. - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 1520 Views
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You make baby Allah cry. *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 673 Views
was it the dog comparison? - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 1339 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 1225 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 1268 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 1265 Views
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some scholars say yes, some say no - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 1383 Views
Shall we be technical.... - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 1250 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 1402 Views
A valid question - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 1122 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 1259 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 1234 Views
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Then we are in accord. - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 1278 Views
That works.... - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 1281 Views
And I think that is wonderful. - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 1390 Views
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Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 1438 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 1471 Views
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at your - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 1263 Views
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Exactly - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 1115 Views
Smiles.... - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 1341 Views
just because you believe in god - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 1185 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 687 Views
Re: Smiles.... - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 1283 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 1300 Views
Who says? - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 1270 Views
You're not "open" to anything. - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 1383 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 1375 Views
Personally speaking - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 1165 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 683 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 1416 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 1334 Views
Because we're His children - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 1362 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 1199 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4618 Views
Tolerance much? - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 1431 Views
I took care of that. - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 1363 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 1121 Views
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all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 1154 Views
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Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 1319 Views
Well there is a difference between... - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 1500 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 1258 Views
Says the Protestant. - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 1260 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 697 Views
United Church of Christ - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 1169 Views
I don't think it is the same thing - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 1228 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 1122 Views
that I can agree with - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 1132 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 1309 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 1345 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 1316 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 1330 Views
Heh. *NM* - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 689 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 1319 Views
agreed *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 691 Views
this. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 590 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 1222 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 1335 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 1465 Views
Bingo. - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 954 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 1291 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 1106 Views
"the buggery agenda" - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 1353 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 677 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 1463 Views
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I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 1239 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 1192 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 1285 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 660 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 547 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 694 Views
The funny thing is - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 1532 Views
Oh no you di'in't! - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 1052 Views
I had a similar thought... - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 1308 Views
*NM* - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 629 Views
*brain explodes* - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 1092 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 639 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 1373 Views
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Not my idea, and I'm working on it. - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 1238 Views
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if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 992 Views
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more like.... - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 1462 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 1226 Views
Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 1166 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 1206 Views
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That is unfair on me - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 1358 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 1226 Views
Apology accepted - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 1073 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 1220 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 1330 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 1057 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 1254 Views
Ah, - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 1218 Views
No. - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 1223 Views

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