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I don't think that's the case Isaac Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM

For all the pomp and circumstance, the last two Democratic Presidents were elected largely (in Clintons case, solely) on the basis of promised healthcare reform, providing a clear mandate for it twice in as many decades. Both times the industry convinced the public they didn't really want what they voted for en masse. In less than six months. Well done, America.... :rolleyes:


I remember both elections, in spite of my youth at the time of the latter, and I can't see Healtchare Reform as a major factor in swaying the middle. First, Clinton had no mandate at all,less than 51% is definetly not a mandate, he got 43%. Everyone who was voting specifically for change from the middle was voting Perot. No matter how one cuts it, Obama was essentially elected for being 'not-Bush' and the GOP suffered from the same, while having more vulnerable senate seats.
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Why bipartisanship can't work: the expert view Roland00 - 01/02/2010 11:34:58 PM 998 Views
And a personal comment Roland00 - 01/02/2010 11:39:28 PM 736 Views
Re: And a personal comment everynametaken - 02/02/2010 01:16:53 AM 697 Views
Who's to say YOU really know what's happening in Washington, though? Aemon - 02/02/2010 01:41:20 AM 767 Views
*thumbs up* *NM* Ghavrel - 02/02/2010 01:50:45 AM 303 Views
Or should I say... ? *NM* Ghavrel - 02/02/2010 01:51:03 AM 295 Views
I Don't watch tv Roland00 - 02/02/2010 02:29:53 AM 737 Views
not to mention those who mistake knowledge for understanding random thoughts - 02/02/2010 10:41:14 PM 591 Views
Even so. Joel - 05/02/2010 05:45:54 AM 628 Views
Like the NYT? random thoughts - 05/02/2010 02:12:36 PM 625 Views
I don't believe the Times has ever conceded bias. Joel - 05/02/2010 06:03:02 PM 652 Views
and neither does Fox so I am not sure that matters random thoughts - 05/02/2010 06:40:15 PM 710 Views
Note that I didn't mention Fox (or anyone, for that matter. ) Joel - 05/02/2010 07:13:31 PM 631 Views
PBS is biased random thoughts - 05/02/2010 07:21:14 PM 608 Views
You're entitled to believe that. Joel - 05/02/2010 07:31:07 PM 751 Views
PBS has an obvious yet undeclared bias so does NPR random thoughts - 09/02/2010 04:47:53 AM 575 Views
Even were that true (which I dispute) my statement stands. Joel - 09/02/2010 09:50:36 AM 707 Views
so they wouldn't be biased becuas it could hurt them but you still argue republicans attack them random thoughts - 09/02/2010 02:19:53 PM 659 Views
Sometimes the truth hurts, though it doesn't hurt PBS. Joel - 10/02/2010 10:15:13 AM 729 Views
We have been for some time. Joel - 02/02/2010 03:31:10 AM 665 Views
I don't think that's the case Isaac - 03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM 612 Views
Universal healthcare was the primary plank in Clintons '92 platform. Joel - 04/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 601 Views
That does not mean his bare plurality was an endorsement of National Healthcare Isaac - 04/02/2010 02:09:32 PM 711 Views
I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue. Joel - 05/02/2010 08:09:50 AM 768 Views
Re: I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue. Isaac - 05/02/2010 03:52:23 PM 714 Views
[insert witty subject line here] Joel - 06/02/2010 02:15:21 AM 718 Views
Let me break this into multiple replies here Isaac - 06/02/2010 07:45:36 PM 712 Views
'K Joel - 08/02/2010 01:22:12 PM 719 Views
Probably time to go into 'summary mode' Isaac - 08/02/2010 07:34:55 PM 738 Views
Again, we're back to "how would you prefer to do it?" Joel - 09/02/2010 09:42:51 AM 733 Views
Any way that works, which currently probably is none Isaac - 09/02/2010 06:12:41 PM 691 Views
I think HDI is more accurate than nothing, though it certainly needs some fine tuning. Joel - 10/02/2010 11:03:08 AM 763 Views
Sorry for the delay... Isaac - 12/02/2010 11:40:21 PM 827 Views
NP, life happens. Joel - 15/02/2010 02:06:55 PM 838 Views
I'll play a bigger age card since it was my third election to vote in and he won because of Perot random thoughts - 05/02/2010 05:57:04 PM 602 Views
Let's put it another way: Why did Dems nominate him instead of, say, Gephardt? Joel - 06/02/2010 02:22:04 AM 692 Views
you don't get mandates from primaries random thoughts - 08/02/2010 02:12:29 PM 588 Views
No, but end of the day more people wanted healthcare than didn't. Joel - 08/02/2010 03:09:31 PM 604 Views
everyone want health care they just don't want congress runnig it random thoughts - 09/02/2010 04:56:44 AM 645 Views
Whom do you prefer? Joel - 09/02/2010 10:07:39 AM 680 Views
Sorry not a big fan of socialism I hear it big over in Europe though random thoughts - 09/02/2010 02:23:55 PM 573 Views
In other words you prefer the system we have; thanks for admitting it. Joel - 10/02/2010 10:05:38 AM 635 Views
I prefer Thomas Woods Jr's description of bipartisanship Cannoli - 02/02/2010 02:49:06 AM 648 Views
If only someone had stood up on 8 December, 1941 and said, "hey, you're not supposed to do stuff!" Joel - 02/02/2010 03:28:38 AM 779 Views
you're making a good job taking things out of context, Joel AgentOrange - 03/02/2010 12:47:57 PM 610 Views
Don't speak in absolutes and I won't read absolutes. Joel - 04/02/2010 10:08:43 AM 608 Views
Some qualifiers can be left unsaid for a clearer message. Or better delivery AgentOrange - 04/02/2010 10:26:56 AM 608 Views
Qualifiers are clarifying by nature. Joel - 04/02/2010 10:49:06 AM 723 Views
huh. That does make sense. I know malpractice is a big weight on the the system in the US. AgentOrange - 04/02/2010 11:58:37 AM 586 Views
Perhaps, but it's hardly the greatest weight, or even in the top three, IMHO. Joel - 05/02/2010 05:44:49 AM 715 Views
Pearl Harbor would never have happened to a classically liberal nation Cannoli - 05/02/2010 01:33:56 AM 627 Views
Maybe; Billy Mitchell might debate that were he alive. Joel - 05/02/2010 05:34:54 AM 742 Views
Wow - that was a dumb statement even for you! SilverWarder - 05/02/2010 04:22:59 PM 775 Views
I do generally agree, but I think the Washington Naval Conference is too often overlooked. Joel - 06/02/2010 02:33:51 AM 760 Views
Some information and a question JasonD - 02/03/2010 05:49:20 AM 1185 Views
Politicians and pundits should stop calling things that happened in the last decade "unprecedented" Joel - 02/02/2010 03:23:27 AM 834 Views
Or the democratic party has shifted so far to to the left they can't even get all of the dems random thoughts - 02/02/2010 02:39:14 PM 587 Views
You didn't hear all the whining when Bush was in charge with a Republican Congress? Dannymac - 02/02/2010 08:50:05 PM 597 Views
I there was plenty of whining going on random thoughts - 02/02/2010 10:36:56 PM 547 Views
Is this you conceding that the GOP is being obstructionist? Joel - 08/02/2010 01:43:04 PM 580 Views
I agree they are obstructing the libs from doing whatever they want random thoughts - 08/02/2010 02:19:13 PM 490 Views
They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills. Joel - 08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM 687 Views
tyring to pcik off one republican is not including republicans random thoughts - 09/02/2010 05:03:44 AM 598 Views
So we've gone from "stop being secretive" to "no public meetings" eh? Joel - 09/02/2010 11:59:50 AM 647 Views
well it was your guy who was up in arms about private meetings random thoughts - 09/02/2010 02:29:34 PM 606 Views
Was it? I don't recall any Dem complaining about private meeting on healthcare. Joel - 10/02/2010 09:44:56 AM 760 Views
most liberals seem to foretting the "rhetoric" that Obama used to get elected random thoughts - 13/02/2010 06:54:34 AM 579 Views
Um... sorry, man.... Joel - 10/02/2010 11:06:22 AM 819 Views
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