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I don't think that's the case Isaac Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM

For all the pomp and circumstance, the last two Democratic Presidents were elected largely (in Clintons case, solely) on the basis of promised healthcare reform, providing a clear mandate for it twice in as many decades. Both times the industry convinced the public they didn't really want what they voted for en masse. In less than six months. Well done, America.... :rolleyes:


I remember both elections, in spite of my youth at the time of the latter, and I can't see Healtchare Reform as a major factor in swaying the middle. First, Clinton had no mandate at all,less than 51% is definetly not a mandate, he got 43%. Everyone who was voting specifically for change from the middle was voting Perot. No matter how one cuts it, Obama was essentially elected for being 'not-Bush' and the GOP suffered from the same, while having more vulnerable senate seats.
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Why bipartisanship can't work: the expert view Roland00 - 01/02/2010 11:34:58 PM 885 Views
And a personal comment Roland00 - 01/02/2010 11:39:28 PM 619 Views
Re: And a personal comment everynametaken - 02/02/2010 01:16:53 AM 572 Views
Who's to say YOU really know what's happening in Washington, though? Aemon - 02/02/2010 01:41:20 AM 652 Views
*thumbs up* *NM* Ghavrel - 02/02/2010 01:50:45 AM 231 Views
Or should I say... ? *NM* Ghavrel - 02/02/2010 01:51:03 AM 252 Views
I Don't watch tv Roland00 - 02/02/2010 02:29:53 AM 606 Views
not to mention those who mistake knowledge for understanding random thoughts - 02/02/2010 10:41:14 PM 464 Views
Even so. Joel - 05/02/2010 05:45:54 AM 488 Views
Like the NYT? random thoughts - 05/02/2010 02:12:36 PM 522 Views
I don't believe the Times has ever conceded bias. Joel - 05/02/2010 06:03:02 PM 543 Views
and neither does Fox so I am not sure that matters random thoughts - 05/02/2010 06:40:15 PM 585 Views
Note that I didn't mention Fox (or anyone, for that matter. ) Joel - 05/02/2010 07:13:31 PM 516 Views
PBS is biased random thoughts - 05/02/2010 07:21:14 PM 491 Views
You're entitled to believe that. Joel - 05/02/2010 07:31:07 PM 622 Views
PBS has an obvious yet undeclared bias so does NPR random thoughts - 09/02/2010 04:47:53 AM 451 Views
Even were that true (which I dispute) my statement stands. Joel - 09/02/2010 09:50:36 AM 566 Views
so they wouldn't be biased becuas it could hurt them but you still argue republicans attack them random thoughts - 09/02/2010 02:19:53 PM 527 Views
Sometimes the truth hurts, though it doesn't hurt PBS. Joel - 10/02/2010 10:15:13 AM 613 Views
We have been for some time. Joel - 02/02/2010 03:31:10 AM 513 Views
I don't think that's the case Isaac - 03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM 497 Views
Universal healthcare was the primary plank in Clintons '92 platform. Joel - 04/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 478 Views
That does not mean his bare plurality was an endorsement of National Healthcare Isaac - 04/02/2010 02:09:32 PM 611 Views
I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue. Joel - 05/02/2010 08:09:50 AM 629 Views
Re: I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue. Isaac - 05/02/2010 03:52:23 PM 577 Views
[insert witty subject line here] Joel - 06/02/2010 02:15:21 AM 607 Views
Let me break this into multiple replies here Isaac - 06/02/2010 07:45:36 PM 585 Views
'K Joel - 08/02/2010 01:22:12 PM 570 Views
Probably time to go into 'summary mode' Isaac - 08/02/2010 07:34:55 PM 600 Views
Again, we're back to "how would you prefer to do it?" Joel - 09/02/2010 09:42:51 AM 624 Views
Any way that works, which currently probably is none Isaac - 09/02/2010 06:12:41 PM 564 Views
I think HDI is more accurate than nothing, though it certainly needs some fine tuning. Joel - 10/02/2010 11:03:08 AM 614 Views
Sorry for the delay... Isaac - 12/02/2010 11:40:21 PM 703 Views
NP, life happens. Joel - 15/02/2010 02:06:55 PM 699 Views
I'll play a bigger age card since it was my third election to vote in and he won because of Perot random thoughts - 05/02/2010 05:57:04 PM 501 Views
Let's put it another way: Why did Dems nominate him instead of, say, Gephardt? Joel - 06/02/2010 02:22:04 AM 570 Views
you don't get mandates from primaries random thoughts - 08/02/2010 02:12:29 PM 470 Views
No, but end of the day more people wanted healthcare than didn't. Joel - 08/02/2010 03:09:31 PM 482 Views
everyone want health care they just don't want congress runnig it random thoughts - 09/02/2010 04:56:44 AM 522 Views
Whom do you prefer? Joel - 09/02/2010 10:07:39 AM 545 Views
Sorry not a big fan of socialism I hear it big over in Europe though random thoughts - 09/02/2010 02:23:55 PM 446 Views
In other words you prefer the system we have; thanks for admitting it. Joel - 10/02/2010 10:05:38 AM 499 Views
I prefer Thomas Woods Jr's description of bipartisanship Cannoli - 02/02/2010 02:49:06 AM 506 Views
If only someone had stood up on 8 December, 1941 and said, "hey, you're not supposed to do stuff!" Joel - 02/02/2010 03:28:38 AM 652 Views
you're making a good job taking things out of context, Joel AgentOrange - 03/02/2010 12:47:57 PM 471 Views
Don't speak in absolutes and I won't read absolutes. Joel - 04/02/2010 10:08:43 AM 484 Views
Some qualifiers can be left unsaid for a clearer message. Or better delivery AgentOrange - 04/02/2010 10:26:56 AM 475 Views
Qualifiers are clarifying by nature. Joel - 04/02/2010 10:49:06 AM 604 Views
huh. That does make sense. I know malpractice is a big weight on the the system in the US. AgentOrange - 04/02/2010 11:58:37 AM 441 Views
Perhaps, but it's hardly the greatest weight, or even in the top three, IMHO. Joel - 05/02/2010 05:44:49 AM 592 Views
Pearl Harbor would never have happened to a classically liberal nation Cannoli - 05/02/2010 01:33:56 AM 495 Views
Maybe; Billy Mitchell might debate that were he alive. Joel - 05/02/2010 05:34:54 AM 609 Views
Wow - that was a dumb statement even for you! SilverWarder - 05/02/2010 04:22:59 PM 677 Views
I do generally agree, but I think the Washington Naval Conference is too often overlooked. Joel - 06/02/2010 02:33:51 AM 612 Views
Some information and a question JasonD - 02/03/2010 05:49:20 AM 1013 Views
Politicians and pundits should stop calling things that happened in the last decade "unprecedented" Joel - 02/02/2010 03:23:27 AM 682 Views
Or the democratic party has shifted so far to to the left they can't even get all of the dems random thoughts - 02/02/2010 02:39:14 PM 475 Views
You didn't hear all the whining when Bush was in charge with a Republican Congress? Dannymac - 02/02/2010 08:50:05 PM 491 Views
I there was plenty of whining going on random thoughts - 02/02/2010 10:36:56 PM 418 Views
Is this you conceding that the GOP is being obstructionist? Joel - 08/02/2010 01:43:04 PM 451 Views
I agree they are obstructing the libs from doing whatever they want random thoughts - 08/02/2010 02:19:13 PM 379 Views
They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills. Joel - 08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM 536 Views
tyring to pcik off one republican is not including republicans random thoughts - 09/02/2010 05:03:44 AM 482 Views
So we've gone from "stop being secretive" to "no public meetings" eh? Joel - 09/02/2010 11:59:50 AM 492 Views
well it was your guy who was up in arms about private meetings random thoughts - 09/02/2010 02:29:34 PM 472 Views
Was it? I don't recall any Dem complaining about private meeting on healthcare. Joel - 10/02/2010 09:44:56 AM 627 Views
most liberals seem to foretting the "rhetoric" that Obama used to get elected random thoughts - 13/02/2010 06:54:34 AM 466 Views
Um... sorry, man.... Joel - 10/02/2010 11:06:22 AM 655 Views
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