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[insert witty subject line here] Joel Send a noteboard - 06/02/2010 02:15:21 AM
For one thing, elections are NEVER won by default (again, see: Kerry, John. )

All POTUS election are about getting a majority of the roughly third in the middle while getting the majority of your sides rough third to give time and money and show up to vote. There hardly only about one thing, but usually one factor is dominant and makes up at least a big chunk of the vote gap.

Yup, and for Clinton in '92 that thing was healthcare.
Boll weevil Dems never really came back, nor will. That was the "Southern Strategys" final payoff so less said the better; hopefully 2008 put that thinking with its fellows on historys rubbish heap.

I don't think Boll Weevil sorts and 'Reagan Democrat' are synonyms.

I and a lot of other folks do and always have; they aren't (theoretically) the same as the Dixiecrats, because they did have more issues than the dead letter of segregation, but if you read what Lee Atwater (who did more than anyone to make Reagan) said about it you can see the other issues were just a more subtle example of the original one:

"You start out in 1954 by saying, 'N--r, n--r, n--r.' By 1968 you can't say 'n--r'—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

"And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'N--r, n--r.'"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater

Same song, second verse. And by 1980, of course, the Southern Dems who made tax cuts and states rights their priority (and began calling affirmative action "reverse racism" ) culminated in this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boll_weevil_%28politics%29

Perhaps the most instructive statements from Atwater, however, are the ones he made after discovering he was terminally ill, a pretty harsh repudiation of the scorched earth tactics he pioneered and a public apology for his character assassination of Dukakis in '88.

"My illness helped me to see that what was missing in society is what was missing in me: a little heart, a lot of brotherhood. The '80s were about acquiring — acquiring wealth, power, prestige. I know. I acquired more wealth, power, and prestige than most. But you can acquire all you want and still feel empty. What power wouldn't I trade for a little more time with my family? What price wouldn't I pay for an evening with friends? It took a deadly illness to put me eye to eye with that truth, but it is a truth that the country, caught up in its ruthless ambitions and moral decay, can learn on my dime. I don't know who will lead us through the '90s, but they must be made to speak to this spiritual vacuum at the heart of American society, this tumor of the soul. "

It's amazing how the knowledge one is not just going to meet ones Maker, but SOON, changes perspective. Personally, I think that price too high to pay for "winning. " Moral majority, indeed....
Maybe not a true mandate, but I think it's safe to say universal healthcare polled a lot better in November '92 than summer of '93 despite the fact the government hadn't actually DONE anything (sound familiar?) I still remember the insurance industries media barrage of "husband and wife" actors discussing the terrors of having health insurance that actually provided effective and affordable healthcare. It's stunning to see how quickly a little ad money can convince the public they don't want what they said they did.

It did poll better, campaign stump speeches aren't the same as bills. Lots of stuff, right or left, sounds good on the stump, and the guy saying it thinks it works too, once they get into office they start having the tiny little flaws pointed out. "Thou shall not kill" gets "except in self-defense" tacked on, then "or in defense of others" and "Thou shall not kill furry animals for kicks" and so on. It's sounds great to say 'everyone will be taught to read' but as I'll discuss later in regard to the HDI, this is not necessarily that laudible a goal. Clinton's mistake was over-estimating intiial support and not realizing how much damage opposition could do to that support, this happens a lot, they believe in something so much they assume a good argument will make people change sides, and that the provacateurs of that opposition will be exposed as evil scoundrels. Blinders, they don't believe (CLinton or Obama or their supporters) that there are legtimate objections and people might not see through the BS because it isn't all BS.

The lions share is BS, but when dealing with a commercial industry you're dealing with people as good at selling snake oil as any politician is. In the case of healthcare, literally. The Clintons severely underestimated the industry backlash (just as now, that's where nearly all of it started; media blitz/=grass roots even if you do pound your message into peoples heads till it sounds sensible. ) No one was worried about the government making you choose your doctor from a list or pay for certain procedures yourself until insurers told them they should be, even though the insurance industry was already doing those very things. Just as now, when the cost mitigation panels that have been industry standards for decades are decried as "death panels" when the government wants to use them. Neither private nor public insurance says you can't have the treatments, they just aren't always willing to foot the bill. With the government you have these things called "elections" to make them listen; with private insurance you appeal (to the same company) and possibly file a grievance, then pray.
You are entitled to believe what you wish, but other developed countries have the same life saving/extending procedures we do; they just tend to be more accessible to people with little or no private insurance in those countries, and saying that people there wait for weeks or months for non-critical care they couldn't receive AT ALL here doesn't change that. It makes for nice rhetoric, but while people ARE rushing over the Rio Grande for medical care they can't get at home, at such a rate it's breaking the system, they're going TO Mexico, not FROM it.
Yes, they do have most of thos eprocedures, this is called drafting, where a truck or bicyclist follow right behind the lead guy to save fuel or energy. We produce a huge amount of research on medicine, direct and indirect, and we primarily pay for it while others get it for free, relatively speaking, they get way more than they pitch in in terms of dollars per unit of new tech developed. A country can stay pretty much with the leader by investing no more money into research than the price for journal subscriptions. I don't blame them for this, they research too and nobody expects them to ignore our advances, but you have to remember that as a factor.

Did you see the article Lady Lorraine posted a few days ago? Not the first time Canada and other countries took the lead where we didn't. The first human heart transplant was in one of those poor backward countries with socialized medicine. Again, it sounds good if you don't look at where medical innovation is occurring; then it doesn't hold water. It's the same argument pharmaceutical companies use to justify America being the only Western country without price controls: "Our US profits fund the R&D from which all countries benefit. " Problem is their R&D budget is a fraction of what they spend on advertising, which their own execs have admitted is over half their budget.
I can pretty much guarantee you Obamas mandate wasn't "limit my damage award when medical incompetence kills my only bread winner. " The whole bipartisan thing is getting a little tired; when a minority Senator is sending out emails that completely ignore the issue or possible reforms, but urge other members to "make healthcare Obamas Waterloo" it's kinda hard to think the failure is just Democratic stubbornness. Especially when it's the same GOP that got those Dem votes for "PATRIOT" and the IWR by daring Democrats to vote against it. Again, if the loyal opposition doesn't like the majoritys proposal, make a better one (which was the great failing of Kerry et alia. ) We just recently discussed the far greater tendency of liberals than conservatives to break with their party; liberals usually want "change" which can be defined myriad ways, but there aren't many variations on "keep everything as it is now. "

You have an honest objection to be people on the otherside of a political disagreement trying to defeat someone and saying so? That's just semantics, we don't like what he's doing and think it will hurt us, we want to see him lose. Constant references to how the GOP wants Obama to fail are pretty close to whining. If a lib smirks about some company been exposed for corruption, he's not smirking because he's happy the company was corrupt, is he? Same thing.

No, it's not, at all. Especially from the same folks whose last VP routinely implied anyone not on board with any administration policy was a traitor; I believe the line was "helping the terrorists" (though "You're either with us or with the terrorists" was good, too. ) De Mint and his cronies never looked at what Obama was trying to do. Indeed, I'd be more sympathetic if they had, because Obama himself has attempted little; he delegated to Reid and Pelosi then told them to give away whatever the other side demands in exchange for being able to say they passed a bill. The loyal opposition isn't any better though, willing to do whatever it takes to make sure Obama CAN'T say that. We do NOT have time for this crap, from either side. So, yes, I have an honest objection to trying to defeat someONE rather than someTHING. Oppose the policies, but when we enter the realm of character assassination for its own sake see: Atwater, Lee.
Unfortunately, "reform" from the latter usually means eliminating previous intended remedies rather than addressing any of the problems that created them. Again, I find it interesting that most of the "downsize government" crowd sees to see the only valuable healthcare "reform" to be the federal government interfering with citizen juries in civil trials (which incidentally flies in the face of the spirit if not (necessarily) the letter of the Seventh Amendment. ) There are much better ways to stop private insurers raising malpractice insurance premiums (and consequently healthcare costs) then ALSO raising healthcare premiums as a direct result. I'm well aware how high a priority industry friendly tort reforms are for the GOP, not just in healthcare, but across the board, but just because they're trying to use the real demand for healthcare reform as a Trojan horse to advance that agenda doesn't mean they suddenly care about HEALTHCARE (rather than tort) reform. It's funny how we keep hearing about evil trial lawyers like John Edwards representing individuals and never hear a word about FIRMS of evil trial lawyers on retainer just WAITING for the call to come fight them.

We rail about them too. The whole thing, we feel there should be a limit as to how much someone can get for damages and pain and suffering, you limit that, lot of those guys on retainer have to find a new job, because companies won't spend millions keeping people on retainer when they don't have to worry about theatric SOBS like Edwards swaying a jury to award someone 3 million for dumping a cup of coffee on themselves.

Odd, this is the first I've heard anyone rail at CORPORATE trial lawyers despite nearly twenty years scrutinizing the issue. Still by way of rebuttal, still the only solution is "cap damage awards and everything will be fine. " I guess if that's all we're willing to do, it BETTER fix everything. I doubt very seriously damage caps will ever be so low insurance companies don't have law firms on retainer; their business practices combined with customer volume will insure that. For the record, if you want to ban suits when some idiot turns his coffee upside down to see if the lid's on right, fine by me. If you want the feds to limit to how much free and impartial juries can award for REAL damages up to and including death, I have a problem with that. And, once again, I believe the Seventh Amendment does, too; so much for the status quo and keeping big government out of the citizens business.
It wasn't just "a" poll, it was everyone of which I'm aware. And I was tracking a LOT of them, with help doing so from EVP. In fact, given that EVP does its projections by averaging all published polls (except partisan ones like PPP and Strategic Vision) and giving extra weight to the most recent, and given their election day projection had Kerry winning FL by the 5% he lost it by, it's probably best to let the matter of "fuzzy math" slide. Kerry ran a SORRY campaign, right up till the end, when, despite promising for months that "every vote will count and every vote will be counted" he conceded while OH (and thus the Presidency) was still very much in doubt.
Seems to me a lot of those polls have said they feel they were using bad demographic set ups. I think Bush did gain some in the final month, but mostly I think the polls simply used poor weighting, last I checked most had adjusted for it.

Yeah, the exit polls got FL wrong for the second election in a row, the first goof since 1948 (the first year Gallup did Presidential polling. ) Was that "poorly weighted" too?
I have. Repeatedly. The way he's conducted his personal life in the past few years is shameful and disappointing, but he's a mill workers son who earned his college degree rather than being a legacy like Bush and Kerry, and made his professional career representing people injured by incompetence and negligence, facing and beating the various firms of evil trial lawyers the responsible parties dialed up to contest that.

I admire anyone who call pull themselves up, assuming they do it in an honorable way, coming from a poor background does not excuse poor behavior. Coming from a wealthy background does not dismiss someone's own successes. That most of the people on the very top did not start on the very bottom just means there a re a lot of smart people there too and it's a bit easier to make it to the very top when you start halfway up, and luck is always a factor in success, you don't need to roll high as many times, that so many have risen from the very bottom, or darn near it, is a testament to the greatness of the current system.

That so few have done so in the past twenty years still strikes me as a biting indictment of the "Clinton boom. " Real wages didn't rise much for most workers, and while a lot of people at the time thought they were rolling in dough, most of it was souffle dough that deflated rapidly after 2000.

Edwards screwed up big time, and as someone who supported him strongly I was very disappointed, especially since he made his faith the touchstone of his legal and political career. You won't find any of his clients winning awards for scalding themselves. You WILL find one who suffered brain damage due to being overprescribed, a child with her guts ripped out by a defective pool drain, a child with cerebral palsy due to its cartilage covered brain being seized by forceps during delivery, people who got AIDS from contaminated blood. Maybe you think the government should tell the citizens what their suffering is worth, but I think it should be the other way around, and since the Constitution mandates a jury trial for any civil suits involving >$20 I think the Framers are on my side. First time I saw Edwards he said something I'd waited all my life to hear from a Dem: That recognizing the civil rights of blacks didn't diminish those of whites, and that the richest country on earth should have room for everyone at its table.

None of which makes cheating on his terminally ill wife any less disgusting, nor lying about it, convincing others to lie about it, and even trying to fake DNA tests to cover it up any less despicable. While I can tolerate (but not excuse) shameful personal lives in solid public servants, when we enter the realm of trying to falsify legal and medical records, public trust is gone.
Try looking at HDI, which factors both the metrics you cite (plus literacy rates. ) You may debate how it weights each one, but it's not ignoring any. We're not number one; we're number thirteen and FALLING (Norway is number one, because Iceland, almost as a nation, got suckered into that laissez-faire Ponzi scheme with high risk mortgages, and suffered the same fate as everyone else involved, without the benefit of a US government bailout. ) In other words, our standard of living is NOT still higher than most Western European countries or Canadas, and hasn't been for some time. That may not play well with the jingoists, but it's documented fact. When I say "slipping relative to theirs" I mean "theirs is higher AND rising faster" not "ours is still higher but theirs is rising faster. "

As many have pointed out, HDI's big flaw is that it tends to measure how Scandanavian a country is. And while I understand the appeal of including education into things, that's an academics bias and really shouldn't be in there, especially with literacy making up 2/3 of it's weight. The other third is basically a measure of what percentage of the population you have in school, sounds nice, to max it out you need 100% of your pop in school. I'm a college grad, I value knowledge, but I don't believe education, especially as HDI measures it, should be on the HDI, better to just do flat IQ tests or something. Although this runs rather contrary to the 'ignorance is bliss' concept.

That sounds a lot like saying you don't like the metric because of the results; Scandinavian countries tend to do better, and most objective social scientists would expect that, but it doesn't mean they cooked the books. It seems far more likely that those who say, "socialism has destroyed Europe, " will dismiss data saying the opposite BECAUSE it says the opposite.
Pop in there real quick with the other chunk of the ed factor, basically higher education, I hate to sound like a technocrat but I simply don't believe that all degrees, from basket-weaving to hrd science deserve equal weight on there. I say basket-weaving to avoid giving anyone offense but there are a lot of junk degrees. Weighting these the same seems innately flawed. Not too mention it has a public ed bias anyway, I never finished a year of school after fifth grade. Nor did I receive any sort of regular exterior education, and yet I clearly learned far more in the interregnum to college than most, and while I value my college ed, I have learned far more in the time since then I did during, which are nearly equal in length.

The irony is that from all I've heard on both sides of the Atlantic, postsecondary education benefits are probably underestimated for the States, because European degrees are, from what those holding them say, far more narrowly focused on a major. The assumption seems that anyone whose grades and tests can get them into university (usually the sole admissions factor in Europe) knows enough math to function as an English professor without taking more math, and vice versa. Contrast with America, where a minimum amount of prereqs in non-major disciplines is required to ensure you don't graduate PhD basket weavers who can't do integer math (btw, underwater basket weaving IS a UT class, but ONE class teaching how to weave wicker baskets by softening the dried textiles in water first, and not a major by any means. ) I don't think the "public ed bias" noteworthy; maybe you were an exceptionally blessed autodidact (it happens) but people who learn more on their own than from formal texts and multiple experienced instructors are definitely the exception rather than the rule, and that's all the "bias" reflects. If you simply mean you were home schooled, unless accreditation has changed DRAMATICALLY I don't see how the HDI will undervalue that relative to standard public education.
There's not much room for doubt, this is an index made by liberal academics that biases towards making their own background basically superior. A prof will score highest in ed, they tend to have a longer LE than average, their income is above the GDPpc and the log kicks in to make the wealthy only marginally happier.

Yeah, the thing is, none of the three factors is completely independent of the others. In fact, you probably just cited the very reason why adult literacy is considered: It impacts both life expectancy and earning (and in Europe, where most Western democracies lie, income is largely irrelevant to education, though education is VERY relevant to income. ) Life expectancy will have a minimal impact on literacy, and outside the US the same is generally true of income, but education has a direct impact on both of those, so maybe it's weighted as it should be.
This weighting is very improtant, because every western country ranks between about .95 and .97, so even tiny amounts can make a huge difference. That thing is equal parts education, LE, and GDPpc, that's absurd. Literacy by itself is very nearly as important as GDPpc or LE.

Only because it actually is.
Note also how GDPpc is done on a log curve, where as the other two are linear - that's not exactly a good way to do things. Now, where education increases life pleasure, nobody in any of those countries has illeriterate people who would otherwise be bookworms. If you haven't learned to read decently by 12 you are unlikely to every be a bookworm whose life is significantly improved by being literate, so it's a flat academic bias.

But, as you note, "adult literacy" involves higher education as well as "See Spot Run. " I think we'd agree education increases life pleasure in America, but the simple fact is there are educational opportunities from which I would benefit, and for which I'm suited, that are simply not on the table for me here. I would be happier were that not the case. I would earn more. I would probably live longer. And even after adjusting for purchasing power parity (which the HDI does, or Norways per capita GDP would be TWICE Americas instead of $7000 more, if you really want to make the argument "happiness=income" ) incomes don't always rise in a linear fashion like life expectancies. In fact, the metric would be useless outside of the developed world without PPP, for the same reasons people say, "sure, Chinese workers don't make much, but their cost of living is a lot lower, too. " Yeah, if we graph that in a linear way Americas $14.5 trillion GDP would put it way ahead of second place Japans $5 trillion, but people might say the metric just rated "how American a country is. " Though, for the sake of argument, America is second if you count the EUs $18 trillion as one country (darned socialism and it's $4 trillion outperformance of superior laissez-faire!) It's less if you use World Bank rather than IMF numbers, but that's because it excludes Warsaw Pact survivors (i.e. per capita GDP would be higher. )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
There is a .17 difference between a LE of 65 years and 55 years. Sounds good, but Literacy, being weight as 75% of LE by itself, which translates to 22%, so a country with a 95% literacy rate and a LE of 55 years is considered equal to a country with an LE of 65 years and a literacy rate of 73%, isn't that absurd? Especially since education is already ultimately there in GDPpc, since educated people statistically earn more? Double counting, but after education has too much weight? A ten percent higher literacy rate is all it takes to move from the bottom of the upper rung countries to the top. Let's remember, Iceland was #1 on that list and has dropped to #3, with a bank crash of epic proportions. Does that sound very accurate?

Iceland dropped like a stone--because they bought the same laissez-faire get richer quick scheme Wall Street did. For people in love with making money, the laissez-faire folks sure are bad at it. Iceland did what America said was best, and took a bath. Not a ringing endorsement of our approach; the countries that stayed the hell out of that are still doing fine.

And as long as life expectancy is (in general) a function of literacy rather than the reverse adult literacy will be at least as important. You may see an illiterate live to 115 while a triple PhD has a coronary at 50, but if you want to wager on life expectancies of 1000 random people I'll take the better educated every time.
This isn't science after all - look at that index, a high schooler could easily use it and there is no 'scientific' basis for it's conclusions - You want to measure how arbitrary something is, lots of 0's and 5's at the end tend to be a good indicator.

It actually IS science; it's just that social science isn't usually as precise as physics. It's not like they just pulled numbers out of thin air and selected for the ones that made their favorite countries look good (even if some wish to believe that when THEIR favorite country isn't #1. )
It's junk, utter garbage, they meant well and probably think they did well, but this index is constantly cited by people when it is so much arbitrary trash. When all three factors are equally weighted at 33%, arbitrarily, to point out any difference of around 2% has all the validity of flipping a coin six times and claiming it's weighted because it comes up heads every time is foolish, flipping a coin six times and getting heads each time is, incidentally, going to happen about 2% of the time.

I don't think it's arbitrary at all; they intentionally didn't weight one over the other so that a nation that excelled in one area and lagged in others wouldn't end up on top.
Now, the other flaw, logs for GDPpc and linear for the other two. And yes, I know that the relationship they offer for LE is not linear with age itself by having that 25 year min in there, though education is flat linear, LE is adjusted linear. Sure, being twice as wealthy doesn't make one twice as happy, though on this it would only be 33% more happy if they had it linear, but at the same time, it isn't a measure of individual wealth to begin with. It's the GDP of a country divided by the pop. That means it also represents the tax base, and government expenditures on the social good are not going to curve in net effect in the same way a personal increase in wealth will effect happiness.

Actually, it's the purchasing power parity per capita GDP, so undeveloped nations don't automatically lose out to developed ones just because the price of a car in the first wouldn't buy a sandwich in the second. Essentially you're saying the same old thing: Western Europeans MUST be miserable because their taxes are so much higher. Which probably explains why they're still choking Ellis Island like they did in 1900--oh, right. My fiancee is SCARED to live here (though part of that is that you can count the annual gun murders in Norway on the fingers of one hand. )
Now, shouldn't those other two be logs? Someone living to 60 gets a LE value of 58%, wherease someone living to 70 gets 75%, sounds about right, someone living to 85 gets 100% and values above that (which do not currently exist) still list as 100%. Artificial caps do weird things to stats when you use them as adjustors. Throw in values for most of the great historical civilizations and you'd be lucky to get .05, I really don't think my quality of life is 20 times or more that of someone living in Plato's Greece. Clearly those should be logged too, literacy should not be 25% of the score, which is what 75% of 33% is.

Look closer. Greece was better off under Pericles than during Platos life, but you're probably 20X happier than most of the SLAVES even then. Life expectancy was a BIT lower, too. Especially when Sparta besieged 1000 square miles of land occupied by 100,000-400,000 people (when they weren't trapped inside; obviously it was higher during the siege, see second paragraph of second section here: http://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521807937&ss=exc ) Might have had something to do with the plague that killed Pericles and thousands of other ecstatic people; maybe we're not happier, but we can treat typhoid fever.

Since you bring it up, however, Wikipedia claims the reforms that democratized Athens and ushered in their Golden Age were:

Concession of salaries to public functionaries.
To seek and supply work to the poor.
To grant lands to dispossessed villagers.
Public assistance for invalids, orphans and indigents.
Other social helps.

Note: Not "other laissez-faire economics helps. " Based on the changes they made, I'd say they wouldn't consider THAT any help at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Pericles#End_of_the_Age_of_Pericles

Meanwhile, it seems a given that GDP, even PPP per capita GDP, will cover a MUCH broader range than life expectancy or adult literacy. Average linear adjusted life expectancy is pretty much limited to a range of sixty (if I can conveniently write it as one word, it probably doesn't need to be a log scale. ) What's the range on adult literacy? Twelve or thirteen years of K-12 plus the time for a doctorate or two? Maybe there's a REASON they used a logarithmic scale for the five digit numbers and used a linear one for the two digit numbers. Social science IS a science, and that means you don't just make up numbers and throw them at the UN. Y'know, unless your professional credibility has become wearisome.
Seriously, I don't think the average person, especially after subtracting additional wealth of education already accounted for in GDPpc, derive 25% of their happines and life quality from being able to read. Most can, all those top countries have pulic ed until one reaches majority, so the people who can't read after that clearly aren't the sorts to be reading novels for fun. You want that weighted in, you probably need to have library usage and book/newspaper sales factoring with it. Then you at least have a decent benchmark for how much people are benefiting from their literacy outside of their income.

Yet, and once again, as you noted yourself "adult literacy" isn't literally confined to Fun with Dick and Jane (if you're going back on that academics are no longer favored over longshoremen. ) I think most people who know wtf is going on derive pleasure from that over and above income and life expectancy. Though I must admit there are times when ignorance does seem like bliss.
Anyone who hasn't learned to read after 12 years or so of school (or even 6) with all those places having special programs for those who have reading disabilities in school, is probably not worth expending additional efforts on teaching to read, it's wasted money. All people being equal and such, I'd argue that beyond a certain percentage, unless the place in question is using a clearly superior teaching method, a higher rate is actually a sign of lower SoL,. because resources diverted into that aren't buying luxuries or feeding the poor or researching vaccines.

I doubt many countries let people die in the streets from cholera because they're spending too much teaching people who can't or won't learn to read. Guess which one's more likely to cause riots.
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everyone want health care they just don't want congress runnig it - 09/02/2010 04:56:44 AM 502 Views
Whom do you prefer? - 09/02/2010 10:07:39 AM 524 Views
Sorry not a big fan of socialism I hear it big over in Europe though - 09/02/2010 02:23:55 PM 425 Views
I prefer Thomas Woods Jr's description of bipartisanship - 02/02/2010 02:49:06 AM 486 Views
If only someone had stood up on 8 December, 1941 and said, "hey, you're not supposed to do stuff!" - 02/02/2010 03:28:38 AM 634 Views
you're making a good job taking things out of context, Joel - 03/02/2010 12:47:57 PM 453 Views
Pearl Harbor would never have happened to a classically liberal nation - 05/02/2010 01:33:56 AM 478 Views
Maybe; Billy Mitchell might debate that were he alive. - 05/02/2010 05:34:54 AM 591 Views
Wow - that was a dumb statement even for you! - 05/02/2010 04:22:59 PM 658 Views
Some information and a question - 02/03/2010 05:49:20 AM 995 Views
Or the democratic party has shifted so far to to the left they can't even get all of the dems - 02/02/2010 02:39:14 PM 456 Views
You didn't hear all the whining when Bush was in charge with a Republican Congress? - 02/02/2010 08:50:05 PM 473 Views
I there was plenty of whining going on - 02/02/2010 10:36:56 PM 399 Views
Is this you conceding that the GOP is being obstructionist? - 08/02/2010 01:43:04 PM 431 Views
I agree they are obstructing the libs from doing whatever they want - 08/02/2010 02:19:13 PM 359 Views
They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills. - 08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM 517 Views
tyring to pcik off one republican is not including republicans - 09/02/2010 05:03:44 AM 465 Views
Um... sorry, man.... - 10/02/2010 11:06:22 AM 639 Views

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