They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills.
Joel Send a noteboard - 08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM
I don't defend Shelby. I really have not seen the details of what he id doing I have only heard it discussed but assuming he blocking all appointments unless he gets some pork he needs to be slapped down by the GOP. Maybe lose all of his committee seats.
If the GOP is simply blocking bills to block bills the dems need to focus on specific things that are being blocked and stop the silly whining that the republicans need to be bipartisan and do things their way. If they want republican support they need to include republicans in writing bills and write some bills republicans can support.
If the GOP is simply blocking bills to block bills the dems need to focus on specific things that are being blocked and stop the silly whining that the republicans need to be bipartisan and do things their way. If they want republican support they need to include republicans in writing bills and write some bills republicans can support.
Yet again I say I think including Snowes amendment to have 50 federally funded but state run universal healthcare programs, but only if <95% of the state had private insurance after a year, and only if the particular state(s) didn't opt out, was gold. It virtually guaranteed universal coverage but didn't paint anyone into a corner, and real competition would ensue (driving down costs) one way or the other, either because private insurers offered competitive plans to forestall a state plan, or because they failed to do so and were FORCED to compete with a less expensive alternative. Of course, that's about the only thing we've seen from the Republicans on that issue apart from the insistence tort reform will make everything alright. I'm willing to look at some tort reform as part accompanied by other things, but I feel about as good about tort reform AND NOTHING ELSE as you do about a federal insurance program by itself. The differences are 1) Republicans who want the latter aren't in the majority and 2) they haven't written a bill like that anyway. It's easier to sit back and wait for the other guy to fail than it is to lead; the Dems proved that themselves.

There were quotes from Shelby in the article posted a few days ago; he does manage to work in a shot about how he's trying to show Obama he has to work with Republicans, but the only "concession" he's on record seeking is a contract for (European based) Airbus to build our mid-air refueling tankers in AL and the importance of a new FBI IDE lab also in AL. Honestly, I think they should vote the appropriations and do the construction in, say, NJ, just to see Shelbys face when he's offered everything he wants except for the small detail about it being in HIS state. You won't see the Republicans shut him down though because he's obstructing the executive branches operations (while he shouts the need for a new FBI lab in the name of defense. ) We've come along way from Margaret Chase Smith (basically) telling McCarthy to stfu and quit being an ass; the closest I can recall any Republican coming to breaking with his party for the countrys good (or any reason) is the "RINO" Senators who said they wouldn't vote for the nuclear option during the Dems filibusters. Senate Republicans don't WANT to play the Russ Feingold role in something like McCain/Feingold, or the Ted Kennedy role in No Childs Behind Left. They want Obamas Waterloo, by any means necessary.
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Why bipartisanship can't work: the expert view
01/02/2010 11:34:58 PM
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And a personal comment
01/02/2010 11:39:28 PM
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Who's to say YOU really know what's happening in Washington, though?
02/02/2010 01:41:20 AM
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not to mention those who mistake knowledge for understanding
02/02/2010 10:41:14 PM
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Even so.
05/02/2010 05:45:54 AM
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Like the NYT?
05/02/2010 02:12:36 PM
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I don't believe the Times has ever conceded bias.
05/02/2010 06:03:02 PM
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and neither does Fox so I am not sure that matters
05/02/2010 06:40:15 PM
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Note that I didn't mention Fox (or anyone, for that matter. )
05/02/2010 07:13:31 PM
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PBS is biased
05/02/2010 07:21:14 PM
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You're entitled to believe that.
05/02/2010 07:31:07 PM
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PBS has an obvious yet undeclared bias so does NPR
09/02/2010 04:47:53 AM
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Even were that true (which I dispute) my statement stands.
09/02/2010 09:50:36 AM
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so they wouldn't be biased becuas it could hurt them but you still argue republicans attack them
09/02/2010 02:19:53 PM
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We have been for some time.
02/02/2010 03:31:10 AM
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I don't think that's the case
03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM
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Universal healthcare was the primary plank in Clintons '92 platform.
04/02/2010 10:02:18 AM
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That does not mean his bare plurality was an endorsement of National Healthcare
04/02/2010 02:09:32 PM
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I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue.
05/02/2010 08:09:50 AM
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Re: I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue.
05/02/2010 03:52:23 PM
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[insert witty subject line here]
06/02/2010 02:15:21 AM
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Let me break this into multiple replies here
06/02/2010 07:45:36 PM
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'K
08/02/2010 01:22:12 PM
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Probably time to go into 'summary mode'
08/02/2010 07:34:55 PM
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Again, we're back to "how would you prefer to do it?"
09/02/2010 09:42:51 AM
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Any way that works, which currently probably is none
09/02/2010 06:12:41 PM
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I think HDI is more accurate than nothing, though it certainly needs some fine tuning.
10/02/2010 11:03:08 AM
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I'll play a bigger age card since it was my third election to vote in and he won because of Perot
05/02/2010 05:57:04 PM
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Let's put it another way: Why did Dems nominate him instead of, say, Gephardt?
06/02/2010 02:22:04 AM
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you don't get mandates from primaries
08/02/2010 02:12:29 PM
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No, but end of the day more people wanted healthcare than didn't.
08/02/2010 03:09:31 PM
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everyone want health care they just don't want congress runnig it
09/02/2010 04:56:44 AM
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Whom do you prefer?
09/02/2010 10:07:39 AM
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Sorry not a big fan of socialism I hear it big over in Europe though
09/02/2010 02:23:55 PM
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In other words you prefer the system we have; thanks for admitting it.
10/02/2010 10:05:38 AM
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I prefer Thomas Woods Jr's description of bipartisanship
02/02/2010 02:49:06 AM
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If only someone had stood up on 8 December, 1941 and said, "hey, you're not supposed to do stuff!"
02/02/2010 03:28:38 AM
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you're making a good job taking things out of context, Joel
03/02/2010 12:47:57 PM
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Don't speak in absolutes and I won't read absolutes.
04/02/2010 10:08:43 AM
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Some qualifiers can be left unsaid for a clearer message. Or better delivery
04/02/2010 10:26:56 AM
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Qualifiers are clarifying by nature.
04/02/2010 10:49:06 AM
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huh. That does make sense. I know malpractice is a big weight on the the system in the US.
04/02/2010 11:58:37 AM
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Perhaps, but it's hardly the greatest weight, or even in the top three, IMHO.
05/02/2010 05:44:49 AM
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Pearl Harbor would never have happened to a classically liberal nation
05/02/2010 01:33:56 AM
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Wow - that was a dumb statement even for you!
05/02/2010 04:22:59 PM
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I do generally agree, but I think the Washington Naval Conference is too often overlooked.
06/02/2010 02:33:51 AM
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Politicians and pundits should stop calling things that happened in the last decade "unprecedented"
02/02/2010 03:23:27 AM
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Or the democratic party has shifted so far to to the left they can't even get all of the dems
02/02/2010 02:39:14 PM
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You didn't hear all the whining when Bush was in charge with a Republican Congress?
02/02/2010 08:50:05 PM
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I there was plenty of whining going on
02/02/2010 10:36:56 PM
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Is this you conceding that the GOP is being obstructionist?
08/02/2010 01:43:04 PM
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I agree they are obstructing the libs from doing whatever they want
08/02/2010 02:19:13 PM
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They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills.
08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM
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tyring to pcik off one republican is not including republicans
09/02/2010 05:03:44 AM
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So we've gone from "stop being secretive" to "no public meetings" eh?
09/02/2010 11:59:50 AM
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well it was your guy who was up in arms about private meetings
09/02/2010 02:29:34 PM
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Was it? I don't recall any Dem complaining about private meeting on healthcare.
10/02/2010 09:44:56 AM
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most liberals seem to foretting the "rhetoric" that Obama used to get elected
13/02/2010 06:54:34 AM
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