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Just to get the obligatory Feinstein comment out of the way... Isaac Send a noteboard - 15/02/2010 11:43:42 PM
I'm sure by now you've heard about her having notes written on her hand in a debate, a worse offense then Palin's, so I'll spare the analogy, just wanted to remind you I said people would dig up someone on the left who'd done it too. Personally I don't think have some not eon your hand during a political debate is immoral, so I couldn't care, except to point out the obvious, it wasn't what was done, it was that Palin did it, and I think you'll agree that where that is the motive for criticism, it is wrong.

A pistol ban isn't a blanket gun ban (I strongly support the Second Amendment AND pistol bans because I consider them murder weapons, since you don't need surprise for deterrence, but we've been over that) yet I see your point; she's not really after my vote anyway (though if I voted in the primary she'd get it. ) Term limits aren't the issue for me; as long as the people want to vote someone back, that's called, "democracy" (and as a rule I've noticed most Republicans only support term limits when Dems are in office; they wanted the 22nd Amendment repealed for Reagan even though they danced on FDRs grave with it, and forty years of "CONGRESSIONAL TERM LIMITS111" rhetoric disappeared overnight in '94. ) Perry's gonna do what serves his interests though; maybe he should run for Kays seat, though if any credible Republican ran against him I think he'd still lose the primary.


Well, it takes a lot of training to learn how to use a rifle for close-quarters self-defense. And even then, elite troops carry sidearms not just as a back up but for close quarters work, it's much easier to traverse a pistol onto the target and time is a critical factor. Most self-defenses cases don't arise in the middle of a large field or woods. Inside a house, with two equally trained people, the guy with the pistol will be able to get off the first shot on target. Now if we're talking about needing a permit to carry a concealed firearm, I'm fine with that, so long as such permits are reasonably available. I just don't subscirbe to the idea that any weapon is a 'murder weapon' because murder is mental thing, now some weapons are cruel, and I've no pro banning them, or far beyond any reasonable level of self-protection (a howitzer or bazooka) but I feel the burden of proof to remove a wepaon as acceptable is all on the plaintiff, not the defendant's job to prove a pistol can't be used for purposes beyond self-defense, plaintiffs need to show the weapon has no legitimate use.

Term limits are sticky issue. I'm sure you and I both know and understand the arguments for and against, I strongly favor term limits, especially for executive positions, you know why and I know why you don't, so probably a moot point, there's no 'fundamental flaw' in either sides reasoning that I've ever seen.

but my point is the interstates were created to encourage and enable interstate travel (with specific emphasis on the military during emergencies) and slapping tolls on them inhibits that. To say nothing of the fact that the lions share of I-35 and the rest comes from that evil federal government, but Perry wasn't planning on providing them any toll revenue (in fact it pretty much all goes to Cintra, which is why they bought the bonds Perry induced people to vote for. ) Seriously, read a little about the Trans-Texas Corridor and you'll probably understand why it's another area where Perrys base thinks he sold them out--he basically did.


Well, I agree, as long as roads are paid for in any way by the general fund, there is no excuse to put a toll in place on any road where no alternative route exists. Franklly I don't really like the idea of toll roads at all, but they do tend to keep traffic on that route down, making it easier, faster, and safer to do longhauls. Like I said, your case sounds weird and wrong, bridges, yes (assuming there is an alternate route) long stretches with few exits, yes, your paying for a convenience then, and it's fair to say that those benefitting from that convenience the most should pay an extra junk of the bill. Using them for profit? No, no publically funded toll-anything should ever be taking in more than it's operating and maintenance costs - but, I don't know if that's the case Joel. Local issue and not one with any abuse going on that merits exterior attention, unless maybe Perry deicdes to run for POTUS.

Part of what's bothering me with the public toll roads is it looks like it's going to go like electric deregulation did in CA: The private owner will collect all the profits, but the state taxpayers will be responsible for maintenance and other overhead. Cintra didn't build the roads and they won't repair them; TXDoT will, at my expense. Cintra just shows up to collect the tolls, most of which are automated.


If they're banking a huge profit off that, then it's bad, of course, they should be getting some profit. ANd capitalism being capitalism, they can probably bank a healthy net profit for as cheaper or cheaper than a public department could.

Right, but they don't have a bridge every half mile or so. I've been on REAL toll roads, where they've built in big rest stop areas as part of the road so you can pull off for gas and/or food without having to pay a toll to get back on again. This is just idiotic; why would I pay a toll to have merging traffic every half mile, then get down to the next CROSS STREET and wait for a light to change? This makes my commute faster (and thus justifies paying for it) how...?


Seems pretty stupid to me, I'll say that.

Sorry, I kind of went off on a toll road rant there; I'm not a big fan of them, once again, but I can at least see some justification if they're done right and on a limited basis. These are done VERY badly in such a way as to make nearly every major road in the state a goldmine for a Spanish contractor and, despite the claims and commercials, they don't make travel faster, they make it slower in the interest of insuring people pay as much as possible. I've had to pay a toll three times in the past year because if you don't exit US183 at a certain point, getting off at the next exit forces you to pay a toll. Of course, if you take the two exits BEFORE the last one, they lead to a different toll road.


Well, to use the buffalo example, I-90 turns into a toll road just past the PA border, runs till the suburbs, then turns into a normal freeway again and breaks into various sub-roads (I90, 290, 190, etc) and then on the other side, a syou leave the area, it turns back into a toll road until you hit Rochester. Now thatere are tons of back roads you can do 50 on and don't meander much in the area, and in the city and subrubs there's no toll, except on a couple of bridges, and it's not stupid high. In ohio, I-80 is a toll and runs parallel to I76 most of the time, and 422 and a few others, but it is a straighter shot, few exits, less traffic. There's been talking of making the expressway of I90 around cleveland (two lanes that run parallel to I90 but have no exits except a few places to merge back in) into a toll, and that's understanable, so's the reasons why they didn't do it. Local affair really. Not to say I want some town with the only bridge over the river in fifty miles to be able to fleece me for crossing, but...

I'm REALLY trying to avoid debating the relative benefits and risks of vaccination though, but feel obliged to say I agree it's a judgment call, and I therefore feel it should be left to individual discretion or, in the case of minors, that of their parents, as we do so many other things. I think it's kind of asinine to say parents can deny their kids life saving blood transfusions on religious grounds but can't deny them vaccines on the grounds it could kill them.


It's a tricky issue, I'm pretty libertarian on things like this, but I'm also a ruthless draconian bastard. I'd have no problem forcible vaccinating the populace during a full blown plague even if it killed 1% of the people taking it, if quarantine were not an option. Same as I'd have no problem forcibly diasrming someone running around a mall with a chainsaw even if I had to shoot them to do it. Leaving yourself as a major infection vector during a massive plague is, to me, a form of negligent homicide. Obviously, cases like this don't apply, kids aren't falling over dead left and right from the vaccine, nor from a lack thereof, so it's not a national crisis and doesn't justify government forced vaccination. Government financed vaccination now, that is fine, it's blatanlty in the public's interest to pay for it, including propaganda pamphlets on it's benefits. I also don't believe parents have paramount rights over their children's lives (since I'm pro-life) so I have no problem with doctors giving blood transfusions to minors even if the parents object. There's a thing grey line in there somewhere, but whenever those pop up I always remember the 'we know it when we see it' ruling.

Oh, I don't doubt they can teach their kids how to get pregnant but most of the time I don't think that's really where the trouble starts. We need something a little more thorough than

"Janey says you can't get pregnant the first time"

"Er, no, I can tell you firsthand that's not true, sweety.... "


I'm not sure we do. Never bother teaching people (across the board) more than the minimum they need to get the point. I don't like public venue because it's teaching morals through commitee. Any parent who can't teach it, or can't send them to someone for it, is pretty much my defintion of 'awful parent' anyway, so the kid's probably screwed. Let me point out though, that privatizing schools and giving parents vouchers to cover it would slice out a lot of these problems, and by a lot, I mean all of them. You just set some minimum standards and some price controls and bag, all good. 'Bussing would be a big problem' always seems the only logical objection, except people deal with that for every thing besides schools anyway, and the answer would be having facilities that were just central locations and daycare/latchkey faciltiies all in one.

When they don't let the profit motive preempt it, which happens all too often lately (cough, cough, tort abolition. )


Well, the FDA is hardly perfect. By I tend to agree with John Stossel, a lot of consumer protection doesn't get much done and often makes things worse in the process. This is a whole different can of worms though.

Fair enough; it IS a little unfair to ask you to comment on what's going on up the street from me, but combining Palin and Perry was sort of a perfect storm for me. I'd feel really good about Kay taking over, despite her being a die hard Republican, if I didn't fear it could be the springboard to successful White House run.


I very much doubt she'll run, Palin might though. If she does, it will have been something the left brought on itself. Prior to '06, people said Hillary had a snowball's chance of winning the White House, and we both know that wasn't ultimately true. If Palin ends up in the WH in '12, it will be because of sympathy and attention generated by all the attacks on her. Outrageous attacks tend to override legitimate ones. A politician who walks past a Klan rally on his way to a brothel, then get's accused of being a racist, is likely to float free from the whole brothel fiasco. If she wins, it won't be love of her, but anger at her accusers, that did the trick. As is, if the left had kept their attacks on Palin strictly to policy and experience, and left out the personal attacks, Palin would be old news, and a lot of female mods and right-wingers would have one more thing to assocaiate with her on and depsise the left over. Personal attacks trump everything.

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Palin reads Cheat Notes. - 08/02/2010 12:43:02 AM 1424 Views
Is it really worse than reading answers on a teleprompter? sorry, I see no big deal here. *NM* - 08/02/2010 01:02:49 AM 252 Views
yes yes it is. a teleprompter is subtle - 08/02/2010 01:22:17 AM 593 Views
a teleprompter is not subtle - 08/02/2010 02:25:46 PM 522 Views
staring openly and blatantly at your hand is? *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:09:25 PM 323 Views
I think if anyone else had done the dame thing we wouldn't even had heard about - 08/02/2010 06:13:44 PM 524 Views
you're right, we probably would not have heard about it - 08/02/2010 07:56:09 PM 563 Views
Yes for what the notes were - 08/02/2010 12:44:35 PM 557 Views
no biggie *NM* - 08/02/2010 02:00:12 AM 272 Views
Isn't her 15 minutes over yet? *NM* - 08/02/2010 02:45:58 AM 357 Views
This only obscures the rational reasons for duly decrying her political popularity. Moooooooo. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:19:45 AM 326 Views
I disagree, I think it underscores it. - 08/02/2010 03:39:57 AM 525 Views
Or they might believe that a far left liberal - 08/02/2010 04:16:51 AM 542 Views
Calling someone who needs a cheat sheet for their talking points stupid isn't an ad hominem, IMHO. - 08/02/2010 12:13:36 PM 537 Views
soory but your wrong, again - 08/02/2010 02:23:31 PM 496 Views
You shouldn't need reminders of your major themes after two years pushing them. - 08/02/2010 02:55:22 PM 528 Views
That's a bit silly - 08/02/2010 08:40:25 PM 690 Views
I'm perfectly happy to discuss her positions; I just think Huckabee does a better job of it. - 09/02/2010 10:26:54 AM 710 Views
Well, let's discuss some of these points - 09/02/2010 07:13:33 PM 716 Views
Re: Well, let's discuss some of these points - 10/02/2010 09:15:04 AM 748 Views
Re: Well, let's discuss some of these points - 10/02/2010 06:49:51 PM 814 Views
Ironically, Palin seems to agree this is different than using a teleprompter for a speech. - 11/02/2010 09:05:19 AM 709 Views
Again, two seperate things - 11/02/2010 09:51:15 PM 525 Views
Agreed, but Palin and other Republicans, not I, drew the comparison. - 15/02/2010 01:02:25 PM 673 Views
Just to get the obligatory Feinstein comment out of the way... - 15/02/2010 11:43:42 PM 736 Views
Hadn't heard, actually. - 19/02/2010 06:58:50 AM 651 Views
Re: Hadn't heard, actually. - 19/02/2010 08:32:11 AM 648 Views
Ah. - 23/02/2010 09:55:45 PM 725 Views
Re: Ah. - 24/02/2010 01:32:34 AM 672 Views
Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement. - 01/03/2010 03:51:49 AM 667 Views
Re: Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement. - 01/03/2010 11:46:24 PM 881 Views
Re: Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement. - 05/03/2010 12:11:48 AM 754 Views
Random Title - 05/03/2010 02:49:59 AM 683 Views
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Oh dear, who ever let you two get into a subthread together? - 15/03/2010 10:31:24 PM 744 Views
Ben was asleep at the switch, clearly. - 29/03/2010 02:48:46 PM 681 Views
oh yes, and the right never uses ad hominem - 08/02/2010 03:56:42 PM 491 Views
This is petty and also rather ignorant - 08/02/2010 03:59:40 AM 688 Views
There had to be better ways, though - 08/02/2010 08:36:50 AM 445 Views
so you're saying you're as dumb as sarah palin? - 08/02/2010 10:55:00 AM 502 Views
Basically yes - 08/02/2010 06:57:16 PM 558 Views
a couple of points... - 09/02/2010 01:53:29 AM 523 Views
Let me get this straight. - 08/02/2010 03:59:40 AM 602 Views
Okay, folks, it's not that she had a cheat sheet. - 08/02/2010 04:39:06 AM 558 Views
Style is EVERYTHING, dammit! *NM* - 08/02/2010 05:34:14 AM 284 Views
As Cheat Sheet was raised as an objection, so it clearly was - 08/02/2010 06:16:57 AM 662 Views
It's completely unprofessional - 08/02/2010 08:27:47 AM 521 Views
why? - 08/02/2010 02:29:44 PM 544 Views
well it's all she's got going for her. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:10:37 PM 234 Views
You know that's a good question - 08/02/2010 05:19:10 PM 507 Views
maybe you are just projecting - 08/02/2010 06:15:57 PM 512 Views
well what is the association we have with notes on hands? - 08/02/2010 07:58:41 PM 536 Views
or people on the far left are being grossly disingenuous - 08/02/2010 08:18:06 PM 650 Views
dude, only posted it because it was funny - 08/02/2010 08:43:55 PM 506 Views
I agree on your title - 09/02/2010 11:30:11 AM 573 Views
Who cares? She's hot. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:06:58 PM 247 Views
I agree with your first sentence. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:07:31 PM 348 Views
I also totally agree with that first sentence. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:48:24 PM 274 Views
Much ado about nothing. She was just making sure she didn't forget anything. - 09/02/2010 02:00:56 AM 487 Views
No, humble would have been note cards. *NM* - 09/02/2010 05:55:27 AM 252 Views
Nah, note cards can be dropped or lost. - 09/02/2010 03:03:25 PM 508 Views
She's such a retard. *NM* - 09/02/2010 02:46:51 AM 276 Views
Maybe - 09/02/2010 09:29:45 AM 545 Views
No offense, girlie. - 09/02/2010 11:36:55 AM 651 Views
She should have left herself a note... - 09/02/2010 11:04:34 PM 514 Views

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