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French fast food chain goes halal Aisha Send a noteboard - 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM
Whats the big effing deal? all the assholes that are opposed to this are obviously prejudiced and bigots. The restaurant is getting more customers because every muslim can eat there , and its only been done in 6 out of 300+ locations and only in highly populated muslim areas. If it had been 6 restaurants made Kosher, would people in France still complain this much? I know i certainly wouldn't, heck i say make a kosher or halal restaurant of every major food chain in big cities to make it more convenient for the entire population to chow down and spend money to get this economy going!

France's answer to McDonald's has provoked a political row by deciding to sell only halal meat in eight of its fast-food restaurants.

In the midst of a debate about whether the full-length veil should be worn in France, the "marketing exercise" by the Quick hamburger chain has generated new complaints – some sincere, some electorally motivated – about the alleged "Islamisation" of French society.

Quick, which is almost entirely owned by a French state investment arm, began its experiment in towns with large Muslim populations last November. Not a single customer, or politician, complained until the far- right politician, Marine Le Pen, claimed this week that the "halalburgers" amounted to an "Islamic tax" on French consumers.

The Socialist mayor of Roubaix, in northern France, and centre-right members of President Nicolas Sarkozy's party have since protested against Quick's decision as "un-Republican", "discriminatory" and "sectarian". There are regional elections in France next month.

In an attempt to calm the debate, Quick pointed out yesterday that it was untrue to say that "halal" food – food prepared according to Islamic traditions – was being forced on all the customers in eight (out of its 362) restaurants. All the burgers in the restaurants come from halal beef, it admitted. Bacon had been replaced by turkey. But non-halal products – from fish to cheese to beer – are still available.

The president of the French Muslim council, Mohammed Moussaoui, also tried to put the row into perspective. There had been restaurants serving only halal or kosher food in France for many decades, he pointed out. Why had there been no complaints until now?

Mr Moussaoui also pointed out that there were thousands of restaurants in France which offered only non-halal food. Muslims had not complained that this was "discriminatory" or "sectarian".

Quick said its "experiment" was intended to test a growing market for halal foods in France, estimated to be worth €4bn (£3.5bn) a year.
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French fast food chain goes halal - 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM 1543 Views
that isn't unusual at all...I don't see the big deal - 19/02/2010 06:42:58 AM 518 Views
...how is it "discriminatory?" - 19/02/2010 06:49:24 AM 992 Views
just as a note - 19/02/2010 01:06:30 PM 614 Views
(It wasn't a reference to Hinduism) - 19/02/2010 05:29:40 PM 611 Views
yah. that's hinduism - 19/02/2010 05:52:41 PM 677 Views
Makes sense - 19/02/2010 06:12:49 PM 631 Views
Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots - 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM 922 Views
Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 12:58:20 PM 675 Views
it's not discrimination in the slightest - 19/02/2010 01:13:03 PM 794 Views
That was my point - 19/02/2010 01:22:55 PM 684 Views
sorry - 19/02/2010 01:29:11 PM 631 Views
No problem - 19/02/2010 02:02:46 PM 618 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 01:44:27 PM 633 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 02:15:37 PM 786 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 02:33:30 PM 875 Views
dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. - 19/02/2010 02:40:18 PM 702 Views
Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. - 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM 792 Views
yes, how dare a shop specialize - 19/02/2010 03:44:59 PM 615 Views
Indeed *NM* - 19/02/2010 03:53:28 PM 337 Views
...I don't think that's a thing? - 19/02/2010 05:31:52 PM 654 Views
To the contrary - 19/02/2010 07:07:40 PM 691 Views
the restaurant does not have 100% halal food. - 19/02/2010 07:40:52 PM 641 Views
It was more of an answer to beetnemesis's hypothetical comment - 19/02/2010 08:18:58 PM 778 Views
I thought that they were still serving fish, at least? *NM* - 20/02/2010 02:24:21 AM 397 Views
hahahaha - 20/02/2010 01:01:07 AM 730 Views
Re: hahahaha - 20/02/2010 04:10:31 AM 665 Views
Interesting - 20/02/2010 04:01:17 AM 668 Views
Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... - 19/02/2010 01:23:49 PM 861 Views
but what's wrong with eating halal meat? - 19/02/2010 01:33:17 PM 696 Views
Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM 784 Views
but is it the jews and observant christians complaining? - 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM 632 Views
I've no clue - 19/02/2010 02:46:53 PM 817 Views
why would they be serving pork at a fast food anyways? - 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM 613 Views
Well normally bacon is considered pork - 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM 627 Views
Dude, it's France. They don't do English breakfasts. - 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM 779 Views
American Breakfast, the english stole it from us - 19/02/2010 03:36:42 PM 719 Views
They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... - 19/02/2010 03:48:06 PM 755 Views
Re: They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... - 19/02/2010 04:16:22 PM 755 Views
Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM 643 Views
from what we discussed in Meat Sciene - 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM 703 Views
Oh? - 19/02/2010 02:42:57 PM 719 Views
you could probably argue that it is less humane - 19/02/2010 02:54:32 PM 599 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM 857 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM 760 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM 827 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM 602 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 06:10:50 PM 623 Views
Upper tip - 19/02/2010 06:14:06 PM 567 Views
Re: but what's wrong with eating halal meat? - 19/02/2010 02:33:14 PM 745 Views
+1 - 19/02/2010 07:07:36 PM 629 Views
It is a MacDonalds not public service provider - 19/02/2010 08:11:36 PM 623 Views
Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... - 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM 759 Views
That's what I was thinking too. - 19/02/2010 06:04:02 PM 791 Views
You think the reasons are as objective as that ? - 19/02/2010 02:24:36 PM 585 Views
I wouldn't exactly call the reasons I named "objective", myself. - 19/02/2010 02:37:56 PM 706 Views
Haha, yeah - 19/02/2010 07:24:00 PM 619 Views
Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. - 19/02/2010 02:14:19 PM 732 Views
Re: Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. - 19/02/2010 05:02:18 PM 659 Views
Are you refering to something specific ? - 19/02/2010 07:18:38 PM 660 Views
Re: Are you refering to something specific ? - 19/02/2010 07:21:35 PM 572 Views
In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. - 19/02/2010 07:26:51 PM 587 Views
Re: In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. - 19/02/2010 07:30:33 PM 612 Views
The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. - 19/02/2010 08:53:44 PM 641 Views
Re: The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. - 19/02/2010 08:55:53 PM 696 Views
Why are such politicians automatically "crazy" - 19/02/2010 10:16:53 PM 735 Views
yep. *NM* - 20/02/2010 12:09:56 PM 293 Views
Really can't see why people would get so worked up - 19/02/2010 03:57:37 PM 572 Views
No big deal.. - 19/02/2010 04:16:08 PM 654 Views
i can't see why it matters that they did. i think it's great. *NM* - 19/02/2010 05:23:44 PM 372 Views
So, what is the difference between Halal Beef and normal beef? *NM* - 19/02/2010 07:06:21 PM 292 Views
the way it is killed. *NM* - 19/02/2010 07:26:02 PM 392 Views
I wonder how teh Saudis or Iranians would react... - 19/02/2010 08:51:11 PM 633 Views
most halal foods would always qualify as kosher, i believe. - 20/02/2010 02:26:49 AM 558 Views
Nope. But it does work the other way around. *NM* - 20/02/2010 04:50:26 AM 314 Views
fair enough, then *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:56:00 AM 455 Views
yupp, kosher counts as halal, halal is not kosher though *NM* - 20/02/2010 12:55:30 PM 416 Views
So let me get this straight... - 20/02/2010 08:42:04 AM 762 Views
wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing - 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM 739 Views
I think you missed his point - 20/02/2010 10:12:18 PM 633 Views
There are many answers one could give, but the most basic one is quite simple... - 20/02/2010 10:20:14 PM 756 Views
And yet having come of their own free will... - 20/02/2010 11:11:51 PM 612 Views
Way to read half a post. I am impressed. - 21/02/2010 12:10:39 AM 628 Views
It always starts small. - 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM 595 Views
Awesome, you figured out their master plan!! - 21/02/2010 02:06:27 AM 681 Views
Like I said... - 21/02/2010 08:43:32 AM 649 Views
and really... in this case it's a private enterprise we're talking about - 21/02/2010 12:55:27 AM 598 Views
exactly. *NM* - 21/02/2010 02:06:57 AM 427 Views
Oh I know, don't get me wrong. I was trying to clarify *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:13:19 AM 345 Views
I didn't miss it, I just thought it wasn't worth noting. - 21/02/2010 02:11:14 AM 846 Views
Re: wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing - 20/02/2010 10:13:12 PM 805 Views
Yes, i'm sure there is no other restaurant in that whole area. - 21/02/2010 02:04:29 AM 754 Views
that's not the point. - 21/02/2010 08:46:14 AM 675 Views
dude. your 'THEY" did not do anything. - 21/02/2010 03:01:48 PM 723 Views
So if your French every restaurant should only be allowed to serve what you want served? - 22/02/2010 07:18:00 PM 622 Views
I don't think French society should be forced to consume Islamic food. - 23/02/2010 01:31:03 AM 621 Views
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. - 23/02/2010 02:47:56 AM 660 Views
Sure they are. - 23/02/2010 03:05:12 AM 645 Views
well they apparently still have 354 of that particular restaurant - 23/02/2010 03:20:07 AM 611 Views
Don't you get it? - 23/02/2010 03:51:09 AM 590 Views
Actually they're not ragheads. - 23/02/2010 03:43:14 PM 579 Views
If you have a sarcasm meter, you might want to switch it on. *NM* - 23/02/2010 05:37:41 PM 293 Views
Indeed, 354 throughout the whole of France, which actually isn't that many. - 23/02/2010 03:42:30 PM 631 Views
how many French people starved to death before McDonalds opened? - 23/02/2010 04:30:32 PM 653 Views
Millions - 23/02/2010 04:41:23 PM 605 Views
Huh. - 23/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 604 Views
They are not forced to do anything - 23/02/2010 04:41:35 PM 580 Views
So Muslims should be forced to eat French food because the French are lazy to open more restaurants? - 23/02/2010 04:43:13 AM 553 Views
well don't you see? - 23/02/2010 12:41:40 PM 639 Views
Re: well don't you see? - 23/02/2010 05:02:16 PM 593 Views
I agree with you. *NM* - 23/02/2010 05:10:53 PM 283 Views
This is meant to be an edit... - 23/02/2010 05:14:23 PM 655 Views
I agree, Bekah, but it's not like there's not a middle ground - 23/02/2010 05:25:30 PM 596 Views
It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome - 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM 743 Views
That assumes a great deal - 23/02/2010 06:52:41 PM 718 Views
Re: That assumes a great deal - 23/02/2010 08:00:28 PM 752 Views
Very true. Test case: Lebanon - 24/02/2010 12:26:43 AM 590 Views
Really? - 24/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 592 Views
What he's referring to... - 24/02/2010 10:20:22 AM 762 Views
Oh that, that I knew with the political system - 24/02/2010 10:57:08 AM 596 Views
Re: This is meant to be an edit... - 23/02/2010 05:43:03 PM 803 Views
Well, biologically speaking, it is healthier for the gene pool. - 23/02/2010 06:55:11 PM 619 Views
"Propaganda"? Kind of exaggerating there... - 23/02/2010 07:48:39 PM 717 Views
How is it not propaganda? - 23/02/2010 08:31:12 PM 780 Views
I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. - 23/02/2010 08:54:54 PM 623 Views
Re: I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. - 23/02/2010 09:08:33 PM 1029 Views
your view point is idealistic, I think - 23/02/2010 09:24:08 PM 895 Views
I guess one would have to see the documentary to really judge. - 23/02/2010 08:58:47 PM 727 Views
The language really isn't the problem in France. - 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM 751 Views
I will conceed that point - 23/02/2010 08:53:26 PM 723 Views
Oh yeah, definitely, re: your point about Americans *NM* - 23/02/2010 09:00:20 PM 302 Views
Our differing opinion does not make us wrong. or that you are. - 23/02/2010 09:07:38 PM 776 Views
I'm not dismissing the problem entirely. - 23/02/2010 09:03:50 PM 735 Views
Well. I wasn't necessarily specifying France. *NM* - 23/02/2010 09:48:44 PM 286 Views
But a lot of them were already in a part of France or had been born in a part of France - 23/02/2010 05:30:24 PM 632 Views
*gasp* There are no French Muslims!! - 23/02/2010 05:36:38 PM 744 Views
Or! - 24/02/2010 10:04:44 AM 834 Views
It's funny because it's true - Algeria was administratively a part of France, iirc. *NM* - 23/02/2010 07:51:17 PM 253 Views
It does make the situation more complicated - 24/02/2010 10:30:28 AM 654 Views
Why should you have to completely change who you are? - 23/02/2010 05:35:51 PM 597 Views
Yes, of course - 23/02/2010 05:48:10 PM 594 Views
Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole - 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM 586 Views
Re: Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole - 23/02/2010 07:38:54 PM 730 Views
So they should be treated as less because they're immigrants? - 23/02/2010 07:45:16 PM 662 Views
They're not Turks, they're mostly from France's old colonies. - 23/02/2010 08:10:25 PM 589 Views
The French didn't seem to feel the need to go native when they were in Middle Eastern countries - 23/02/2010 05:55:28 PM 838 Views
What are you refering to? - 23/02/2010 06:00:45 PM 624 Views
Brush up on your history then - 23/02/2010 06:25:53 PM 651 Views
Thank you - 23/02/2010 06:34:19 PM 586 Views
I would think that simply having McDonalds there is a greater threat to French cultrue - 23/02/2010 06:52:34 PM 725 Views
This. well stated. *NM* - 23/02/2010 07:03:47 PM 287 Views
Why thank you *NM* - 23/02/2010 11:49:22 PM 285 Views
Many? - 23/02/2010 07:40:06 AM 648 Views
sorry I thought it was a restaurant - 23/02/2010 04:41:39 AM 598 Views

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