Whats the big effing deal? all the assholes that are opposed to this are obviously prejudiced and bigots. The restaurant is getting more customers because every muslim can eat there , and its only been done in 6 out of 300+ locations and only in highly populated muslim areas. If it had been 6 restaurants made Kosher, would people in France still complain this much? I know i certainly wouldn't, heck i say make a kosher or halal restaurant of every major food chain in big cities to make it more convenient for the entire population to chow down and spend money to get this economy going!
France's answer to McDonald's has provoked a political row by deciding to sell only halal meat in eight of its fast-food restaurants.
In the midst of a debate about whether the full-length veil should be worn in France, the "marketing exercise" by the Quick hamburger chain has generated new complaints – some sincere, some electorally motivated – about the alleged "Islamisation" of French society.
Quick, which is almost entirely owned by a French state investment arm, began its experiment in towns with large Muslim populations last November. Not a single customer, or politician, complained until the far- right politician, Marine Le Pen, claimed this week that the "halalburgers" amounted to an "Islamic tax" on French consumers.
The Socialist mayor of Roubaix, in northern France, and centre-right members of President Nicolas Sarkozy's party have since protested against Quick's decision as "un-Republican", "discriminatory" and "sectarian". There are regional elections in France next month.
In an attempt to calm the debate, Quick pointed out yesterday that it was untrue to say that "halal" food – food prepared according to Islamic traditions – was being forced on all the customers in eight (out of its 362) restaurants. All the burgers in the restaurants come from halal beef, it admitted. Bacon had been replaced by turkey. But non-halal products – from fish to cheese to beer – are still available.
The president of the French Muslim council, Mohammed Moussaoui, also tried to put the row into perspective. There had been restaurants serving only halal or kosher food in France for many decades, he pointed out. Why had there been no complaints until now?
Mr Moussaoui also pointed out that there were thousands of restaurants in France which offered only non-halal food. Muslims had not complained that this was "discriminatory" or "sectarian".
Quick said its "experiment" was intended to test a growing market for halal foods in France, estimated to be worth €4bn (£3.5bn) a year.
France's answer to McDonald's has provoked a political row by deciding to sell only halal meat in eight of its fast-food restaurants.
In the midst of a debate about whether the full-length veil should be worn in France, the "marketing exercise" by the Quick hamburger chain has generated new complaints – some sincere, some electorally motivated – about the alleged "Islamisation" of French society.
Quick, which is almost entirely owned by a French state investment arm, began its experiment in towns with large Muslim populations last November. Not a single customer, or politician, complained until the far- right politician, Marine Le Pen, claimed this week that the "halalburgers" amounted to an "Islamic tax" on French consumers.
The Socialist mayor of Roubaix, in northern France, and centre-right members of President Nicolas Sarkozy's party have since protested against Quick's decision as "un-Republican", "discriminatory" and "sectarian". There are regional elections in France next month.
In an attempt to calm the debate, Quick pointed out yesterday that it was untrue to say that "halal" food – food prepared according to Islamic traditions – was being forced on all the customers in eight (out of its 362) restaurants. All the burgers in the restaurants come from halal beef, it admitted. Bacon had been replaced by turkey. But non-halal products – from fish to cheese to beer – are still available.
The president of the French Muslim council, Mohammed Moussaoui, also tried to put the row into perspective. There had been restaurants serving only halal or kosher food in France for many decades, he pointed out. Why had there been no complaints until now?
Mr Moussaoui also pointed out that there were thousands of restaurants in France which offered only non-halal food. Muslims had not complained that this was "discriminatory" or "sectarian".
Quick said its "experiment" was intended to test a growing market for halal foods in France, estimated to be worth €4bn (£3.5bn) a year.
Aisha - formerly known as randschicka
French fast food chain goes halal
- 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM
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...how is it "discriminatory?"
- 19/02/2010 06:49:24 AM
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just as a note
- 19/02/2010 01:06:30 PM
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(It wasn't a reference to Hinduism)
- 19/02/2010 05:29:40 PM
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Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots
- 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM
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Not sure that works
- 19/02/2010 12:58:20 PM
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it's not discrimination in the slightest
- 19/02/2010 01:13:03 PM
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Re: Not sure that works
- 19/02/2010 01:44:27 PM
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Re: Not sure that works
- 19/02/2010 02:15:37 PM
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Re: Not sure that works
- 19/02/2010 02:33:30 PM
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dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination.
- 19/02/2010 02:40:18 PM
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Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination.
- 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM
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...I don't think that's a thing?
- 19/02/2010 05:31:52 PM
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To the contrary
- 19/02/2010 07:07:40 PM
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the restaurant does not have 100% halal food.
- 19/02/2010 07:40:52 PM
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Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US...
- 19/02/2010 01:23:49 PM
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but what's wrong with eating halal meat?
- 19/02/2010 01:33:17 PM
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Nothing per se, it's largely symbolic. I'm not sure how large the changes in the menu actually are.
- 19/02/2010 01:42:54 PM
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Not a theologian, are we?
- 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM
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- 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM
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but is it the jews and observant christians complaining?
- 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM
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- 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM
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I've no clue
- 19/02/2010 02:46:53 PM
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why would they be serving pork at a fast food anyways?
- 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM
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- 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM
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I checked the standard menu - other than one special burger with bacon, it's true there's no pork. *NM*
- 19/02/2010 02:55:44 PM
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Well normally bacon is considered pork
- 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM
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- 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM
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Dude, it's France. They don't do English breakfasts.
- 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM
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- 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM
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American Breakfast, the english stole it from us
- 19/02/2010 03:36:42 PM
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Not a theologian, are we?
- 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM
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- 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM
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from what we discussed in Meat Sciene
- 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM
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Re: Not a theologian, are we?
- 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM
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- 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM
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Re: Not a theologian, are we?
- 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM
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- 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM
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Re: Not a theologian, are we?
- 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM
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- 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM
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Re: Not a theologian, are we?
- 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM
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- 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM
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Oh, and then there's something else, though I don't know if it's a factor here...
- 19/02/2010 02:41:46 PM
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Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US...
- 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM
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You think the reasons are as objective as that ?
- 19/02/2010 02:24:36 PM
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Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims.
- 19/02/2010 02:14:19 PM
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Re: Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims.
- 19/02/2010 05:02:18 PM
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Are you refering to something specific ?
- 19/02/2010 07:18:38 PM
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Re: Are you refering to something specific ?
- 19/02/2010 07:21:35 PM
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In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU.
- 19/02/2010 07:26:51 PM
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Re: In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU.
- 19/02/2010 07:30:33 PM
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The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason.
- 19/02/2010 08:53:44 PM
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Re: The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason.
- 19/02/2010 08:55:53 PM
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i can't see why it matters that they did. i think it's great. *NM*
- 19/02/2010 05:23:44 PM
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So, what is the difference between Halal Beef and normal beef? *NM*
- 19/02/2010 07:06:21 PM
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Call me an obvious bigot and prejudiced then. I think the way they did this is bad.
- 19/02/2010 07:10:40 PM
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Having two sources of meat would raise prices even more
- 19/02/2010 07:56:21 PM
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Not to mention the fact that anything served as halal would have to be cooked separately
- 19/02/2010 10:55:06 PM
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I wonder how teh Saudis or Iranians would react...
- 19/02/2010 08:51:11 PM
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most halal foods would always qualify as kosher, i believe.
- 20/02/2010 02:26:49 AM
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So let me get this straight...
- 20/02/2010 08:42:04 AM
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wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing
- 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM
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I think you missed his point
- 20/02/2010 10:12:18 PM
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There are many answers one could give, but the most basic one is quite simple...
- 20/02/2010 10:20:14 PM
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And yet having come of their own free will...
- 20/02/2010 11:11:51 PM
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Way to read half a post. I am impressed.
- 21/02/2010 12:10:39 AM
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It always starts small.
- 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM
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and really... in this case it's a private enterprise we're talking about
- 21/02/2010 12:55:27 AM
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Re: wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing
- 20/02/2010 10:13:12 PM
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Yes, i'm sure there is no other restaurant in that whole area.
- 21/02/2010 02:04:29 AM
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that's not the point.
- 21/02/2010 08:46:14 AM
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So if your French every restaurant should only be allowed to serve what you want served?
- 22/02/2010 07:18:00 PM
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I don't think French society should be forced to consume Islamic food.
- 23/02/2010 01:31:03 AM
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No one is forcing anyone to do anything.
- 23/02/2010 02:47:56 AM
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Sure they are.
- 23/02/2010 03:05:12 AM
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well they apparently still have 354 of that particular restaurant
- 23/02/2010 03:20:07 AM
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Don't you get it?
- 23/02/2010 03:51:09 AM
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Actually they're not ragheads.
- 23/02/2010 03:43:14 PM
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If you have a sarcasm meter, you might want to switch it on. *NM*
- 23/02/2010 05:37:41 PM
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Indeed, 354 throughout the whole of France, which actually isn't that many.
- 23/02/2010 03:42:30 PM
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So Muslims should be forced to eat French food because the French are lazy to open more restaurants?
- 23/02/2010 04:43:13 AM
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well don't you see?
- 23/02/2010 12:41:40 PM
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Re: well don't you see?
- 23/02/2010 05:02:16 PM
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I agree with you. *NM*
- 23/02/2010 05:10:53 PM
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This is meant to be an edit...
- 23/02/2010 05:14:23 PM
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I agree, Bekah, but it's not like there's not a middle ground
- 23/02/2010 05:25:30 PM
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It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome
- 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM
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Very true. Test case: Lebanon
- 24/02/2010 12:26:43 AM
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Really?
- 24/02/2010 10:02:18 AM
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Re: This is meant to be an edit...
- 23/02/2010 05:43:03 PM
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"Propaganda"? Kind of exaggerating there...
- 23/02/2010 07:48:39 PM
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How is it not propaganda?
- 23/02/2010 08:31:12 PM
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I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though.
- 23/02/2010 08:54:54 PM
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Re: I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though.
- 23/02/2010 09:08:33 PM
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The language really isn't the problem in France.
- 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM
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I will conceed that point
- 23/02/2010 08:53:26 PM
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But a lot of them were already in a part of France or had been born in a part of France
- 23/02/2010 05:30:24 PM
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It's funny because it's true - Algeria was administratively a part of France, iirc. *NM*
- 23/02/2010 07:51:17 PM
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Why should you have to completely change who you are?
- 23/02/2010 05:35:51 PM
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Yes, of course
- 23/02/2010 05:48:10 PM
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Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole
- 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM
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- 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM
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The French didn't seem to feel the need to go native when they were in Middle Eastern countries
- 23/02/2010 05:55:28 PM
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What are you refering to?
- 23/02/2010 06:00:45 PM
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Brush up on your history then
- 23/02/2010 06:25:53 PM
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Thank you
- 23/02/2010 06:34:19 PM
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I would think that simply having McDonalds there is a greater threat to French cultrue
- 23/02/2010 06:52:34 PM
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They had Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and for a while Lebanon and Syria.
- 23/02/2010 08:00:08 PM
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*NM*