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Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... snoopcester Send a noteboard - 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM

By switching to halal meat entirely instead of the rather more logical move of offering both halal and non-halal, Quick gives the impression that they want to cater exclusively to the Muslim inhabitants of those neighbourhoods, thus giving the non-Muslims in said neighbourhoods, who in many cases are already uneasy about how fast their neighbourhoods have changed, further impressions of being a minority.


I'm not sure that is the more logical choice - there are a fair number of different KFC style chicken fast food places around London which are halal and I'm not aware of any of them running a dual menu. If it was more logical, I would have thought at least some of them would - it seems to me like a bad idea for a fast food place to start offering a mixture of halal and non-halal food.... you'd need to double up on a lot of the kitchen equipment to make sure of not getting things mixed up and even then a lot of people would worry about it.
I can see your point about the impression it creates but I think offering both is the worst option.
I also don't know of anyone outside the BNP over here who cares about the chicken places being halal, they might well have looked at how they fit in communities elsewhere and realised that aside from a few fringe nutters, long term people won't care.
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French fast food chain goes halal Aisha - 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM 1591 Views
that isn't unusual at all...I don't see the big deal LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 06:42:58 AM 575 Views
...how is it "discriminatory?" beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:49:24 AM 1047 Views
just as a note LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:06:30 PM 673 Views
(It wasn't a reference to Hinduism) beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:29:40 PM 662 Views
yah. that's hinduism LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 05:52:41 PM 743 Views
Makes sense beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:12:49 PM 688 Views
Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots Insolitus - 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM 986 Views
Not sure that works snoopcester - 19/02/2010 12:58:20 PM 734 Views
it's not discrimination in the slightest LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:13:03 PM 855 Views
That was my point snoopcester - 19/02/2010 01:22:55 PM 763 Views
sorry LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:29:11 PM 697 Views
No problem snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:02:46 PM 697 Views
Re: Not sure that works Insolitus - 19/02/2010 01:44:27 PM 694 Views
Re: Not sure that works snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:15:37 PM 847 Views
Re: Not sure that works Insolitus - 19/02/2010 02:33:30 PM 934 Views
dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:40:18 PM 761 Views
Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. Insolitus - 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM 857 Views
yes, how dare a shop specialize LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 03:44:59 PM 671 Views
Indeed *NM* Insolitus - 19/02/2010 03:53:28 PM 363 Views
...I don't think that's a thing? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:31:52 PM 710 Views
To the contrary Isaac - 19/02/2010 07:07:40 PM 748 Views
the restaurant does not have 100% halal food. LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 07:40:52 PM 702 Views
It was more of an answer to beetnemesis's hypothetical comment Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:18:58 PM 837 Views
I thought that they were still serving fish, at least? *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 02:24:21 AM 422 Views
hahahaha Aisha - 20/02/2010 01:01:07 AM 800 Views
Re: hahahaha Isaac - 20/02/2010 04:10:31 AM 726 Views
Interesting beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 04:01:17 AM 722 Views
Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... Legolas - 19/02/2010 01:23:49 PM 919 Views
but what's wrong with eating halal meat? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:33:17 PM 759 Views
Nothing per se, it's largely symbolic. I'm not sure how large the changes in the menu actually are. Legolas - 19/02/2010 01:42:54 PM 881 Views
Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM 841 Views
but is it the jews and observant christians complaining? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM 695 Views
I've no clue Isaac - 19/02/2010 02:46:53 PM 883 Views
why would they be serving pork at a fast food anyways? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM 676 Views
I checked the standard menu - other than one special burger with bacon, it's true there's no pork. *NM* Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:55:44 PM 344 Views
my point is how many fast food places have pork? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 03:06:44 PM 672 Views
Well normally bacon is considered pork Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM 686 Views
Dude, it's France. They don't do English breakfasts. Legolas - 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM 842 Views
American Breakfast, the english stole it from us Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:36:42 PM 775 Views
They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... Legolas - 19/02/2010 03:48:06 PM 814 Views
Re: They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... Isaac - 19/02/2010 04:16:22 PM 825 Views
Not a theologian, are we? snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM 707 Views
from what we discussed in Meat Sciene LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM 759 Views
Oh? snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:42:57 PM 769 Views
you could probably argue that it is less humane LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:54:32 PM 669 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM 924 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM 823 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM 885 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM 673 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 06:10:50 PM 683 Views
Upper tip Isaac - 19/02/2010 06:14:06 PM 627 Views
Re: but what's wrong with eating halal meat? Sareitha Sedai - 19/02/2010 02:33:14 PM 794 Views
+1 The Shrike - 19/02/2010 07:07:36 PM 688 Views
It is a MacDonalds not public service provider random thoughts - 19/02/2010 08:11:36 PM 695 Views
Oh, and then there's something else, though I don't know if it's a factor here... Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:41:46 PM 713 Views
Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... snoopcester - 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM 829 Views
That's what I was thinking too. Lupine - 19/02/2010 06:04:02 PM 847 Views
You think the reasons are as objective as that ? AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 02:24:36 PM 639 Views
I wouldn't exactly call the reasons I named "objective", myself. Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:37:56 PM 766 Views
Haha, yeah AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:24:00 PM 673 Views
Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 02:14:19 PM 795 Views
Re: Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 05:02:18 PM 719 Views
Are you refering to something specific ? AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:18:38 PM 732 Views
Re: Are you refering to something specific ? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 07:21:35 PM 627 Views
In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:26:51 PM 640 Views
Re: In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 07:30:33 PM 662 Views
The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. Legolas - 19/02/2010 08:53:44 PM 706 Views
Re: The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 08:55:53 PM 754 Views
Why are such politicians automatically "crazy" ßelals Girl - 19/02/2010 10:16:53 PM 800 Views
yep. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/02/2010 12:09:56 PM 330 Views
Really can't see why people would get so worked up random thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:57:37 PM 626 Views
No big deal.. Kel - 19/02/2010 04:16:08 PM 715 Views
i can't see why it matters that they did. i think it's great. *NM* temeraire - 19/02/2010 05:23:44 PM 396 Views
So, what is the difference between Halal Beef and normal beef? *NM* MightyYT - 19/02/2010 07:06:21 PM 323 Views
the way it is killed. *NM* jh - 19/02/2010 07:26:02 PM 417 Views
Call me an obvious bigot and prejudiced then. I think the way they did this is bad. The Shrike - 19/02/2010 07:10:40 PM 733 Views
Having two sources of meat would raise prices even more beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 07:56:21 PM 691 Views
Not to mention the fact that anything served as halal would have to be cooked separately Floffe - 19/02/2010 10:55:06 PM 652 Views
I wonder how teh Saudis or Iranians would react... Dragonsoul - 19/02/2010 08:51:11 PM 697 Views
most halal foods would always qualify as kosher, i believe. LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 02:26:49 AM 630 Views
Nope. But it does work the other way around. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/02/2010 04:50:26 AM 338 Views
fair enough, then *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 05:56:00 AM 491 Views
yupp, kosher counts as halal, halal is not kosher though *NM* Aisha - 20/02/2010 12:55:30 PM 442 Views
So let me get this straight... Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 08:42:04 AM 820 Views
wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM 793 Views
I think you missed his point beckstcw - 20/02/2010 10:12:18 PM 694 Views
There are many answers one could give, but the most basic one is quite simple... Legolas - 20/02/2010 10:20:14 PM 810 Views
And yet having come of their own free will... Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 11:11:51 PM 685 Views
Way to read half a post. I am impressed. jh - 21/02/2010 12:10:39 AM 682 Views
It always starts small. Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM 656 Views
Awesome, you figured out their master plan!! LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:06:27 AM 757 Views
Like I said... Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 08:43:32 AM 713 Views
and really... in this case it's a private enterprise we're talking about AgentOrange - 21/02/2010 12:55:27 AM 656 Views
exactly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:06:57 AM 450 Views
Oh I know, don't get me wrong. I was trying to clarify *NM* beckstcw - 21/02/2010 04:13:19 AM 369 Views
I didn't miss it, I just thought it wasn't worth noting. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:11:14 AM 925 Views
Re: wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 10:13:12 PM 866 Views
Yes, i'm sure there is no other restaurant in that whole area. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:04:29 AM 809 Views
that's not the point. Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 08:46:14 AM 735 Views
dude. your 'THEY" did not do anything. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 03:01:48 PM 790 Views
So if your French every restaurant should only be allowed to serve what you want served? random thoughts - 22/02/2010 07:18:00 PM 686 Views
I don't think French society should be forced to consume Islamic food. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 01:31:03 AM 674 Views
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 02:47:56 AM 730 Views
Sure they are. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:05:12 AM 707 Views
well they apparently still have 354 of that particular restaurant LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 03:20:07 AM 665 Views
Don't you get it? LiterateDog - 23/02/2010 03:51:09 AM 643 Views
Actually they're not ragheads. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:43:14 PM 656 Views
If you have a sarcasm meter, you might want to switch it on. *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:37:41 PM 318 Views
Indeed, 354 throughout the whole of France, which actually isn't that many. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:42:30 PM 692 Views
how many French people starved to death before McDonalds opened? random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:30:32 PM 716 Views
Millions Isaac - 23/02/2010 04:41:23 PM 673 Views
Huh. Sareitha Sedai - 23/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 660 Views
They are not forced to do anything snoopcester - 23/02/2010 04:41:35 PM 647 Views
So Muslims should be forced to eat French food because the French are lazy to open more restaurants? random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:43:13 AM 606 Views
well don't you see? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 12:41:40 PM 709 Views
Re: well don't you see? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:02:16 PM 653 Views
I agree with you. *NM* Rebekah - 23/02/2010 05:10:53 PM 309 Views
This is meant to be an edit... Rebekah - 23/02/2010 05:14:23 PM 716 Views
I agree, Bekah, but it's not like there's not a middle ground LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:25:30 PM 656 Views
It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM 802 Views
That assumes a great deal LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 06:52:41 PM 780 Views
Re: That assumes a great deal ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:00:28 PM 805 Views
Very true. Test case: Lebanon AgentOrange - 24/02/2010 12:26:43 AM 657 Views
Really? snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 648 Views
What he's referring to... Legolas - 24/02/2010 10:20:22 AM 829 Views
Oh that, that I knew with the political system snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:57:08 AM 656 Views
Re: This is meant to be an edit... ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:43:03 PM 865 Views
Well, biologically speaking, it is healthier for the gene pool. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 06:55:11 PM 672 Views
"Propaganda"? Kind of exaggerating there... Legolas - 23/02/2010 07:48:39 PM 787 Views
How is it not propaganda? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:31:12 PM 848 Views
I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 08:54:54 PM 692 Views
Re: I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 09:08:33 PM 1116 Views
your view point is idealistic, I think LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:24:08 PM 953 Views
I guess one would have to see the documentary to really judge. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:58:47 PM 796 Views
The language really isn't the problem in France. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM 805 Views
I will conceed that point ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:53:26 PM 790 Views
Oh yeah, definitely, re: your point about Americans *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2010 09:00:20 PM 327 Views
Our differing opinion does not make us wrong. or that you are. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:07:38 PM 838 Views
I'm not dismissing the problem entirely. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:03:50 PM 789 Views
Well. I wasn't necessarily specifying France. *NM* Rebekah - 23/02/2010 09:48:44 PM 334 Views
But a lot of them were already in a part of France or had been born in a part of France snoopcester - 23/02/2010 05:30:24 PM 676 Views
*gasp* There are no French Muslims!! LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:36:38 PM 806 Views
Or! snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:04:44 AM 893 Views
It's funny because it's true - Algeria was administratively a part of France, iirc. *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2010 07:51:17 PM 280 Views
It does make the situation more complicated snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:30:28 AM 723 Views
Why should you have to completely change who you are? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:35:51 PM 654 Views
Yes, of course ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:48:10 PM 653 Views
Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM 645 Views
Re: Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 07:38:54 PM 793 Views
So they should be treated as less because they're immigrants? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:45:16 PM 725 Views
They're not Turks, they're mostly from France's old colonies. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:10:25 PM 650 Views
The French didn't seem to feel the need to go native when they were in Middle Eastern countries random thoughts - 23/02/2010 05:55:28 PM 905 Views
What are you refering to? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:00:45 PM 684 Views
Brush up on your history then random thoughts - 23/02/2010 06:25:53 PM 712 Views
Thank you ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:34:19 PM 652 Views
I would think that simply having McDonalds there is a greater threat to French cultrue random thoughts - 23/02/2010 06:52:34 PM 779 Views
This. well stated. *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:03:47 PM 314 Views
Why thank you *NM* random thoughts - 23/02/2010 11:49:22 PM 308 Views
They had Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and for a while Lebanon and Syria. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:00:08 PM 869 Views
Many? Floffe - 23/02/2010 07:40:06 AM 715 Views
sorry I thought it was a restaurant random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:41:39 AM 663 Views
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