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I wouldn't exactly call the reasons I named "objective", myself. Legolas Send a noteboard - 19/02/2010 02:37:56 PM
Maybe. Seems improbable to me. I think it's mostly xenophobia.
Weren't many French intially against those American non halal McDees in the first place ?


I mean, I pointed out the thing about the fast food density because I got the impression Aisha was forgetting about that, and I think what I said about the symbolic meaning of switching to exclusively halal food is a valid point - but how one reacts to such a switch is still quite subjective. And the reasons why reactions in France are so strong are absolutely linked to the larger problems with the immigrants that they have. Which if you're feeling uncharitable you can call xenophobia, but I'd say under the circumstances it's understandable.

And yeah, France does have some circles that are ideologically anti-McDonalds. Of course, since Quick is a French imitation, they like that one lots better. ;)
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French fast food chain goes halal Aisha - 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM 1582 Views
that isn't unusual at all...I don't see the big deal LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 06:42:58 AM 560 Views
...how is it "discriminatory?" beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:49:24 AM 1032 Views
just as a note LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:06:30 PM 655 Views
(It wasn't a reference to Hinduism) beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:29:40 PM 651 Views
yah. that's hinduism LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 05:52:41 PM 725 Views
Makes sense beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:12:49 PM 671 Views
Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots Insolitus - 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM 963 Views
Not sure that works snoopcester - 19/02/2010 12:58:20 PM 719 Views
it's not discrimination in the slightest LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:13:03 PM 840 Views
That was my point snoopcester - 19/02/2010 01:22:55 PM 750 Views
sorry LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:29:11 PM 679 Views
No problem snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:02:46 PM 679 Views
Re: Not sure that works Insolitus - 19/02/2010 01:44:27 PM 676 Views
Re: Not sure that works snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:15:37 PM 829 Views
Re: Not sure that works Insolitus - 19/02/2010 02:33:30 PM 916 Views
dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:40:18 PM 745 Views
Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. Insolitus - 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM 841 Views
yes, how dare a shop specialize LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 03:44:59 PM 657 Views
Indeed *NM* Insolitus - 19/02/2010 03:53:28 PM 354 Views
...I don't think that's a thing? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:31:52 PM 694 Views
To the contrary Isaac - 19/02/2010 07:07:40 PM 733 Views
the restaurant does not have 100% halal food. LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 07:40:52 PM 685 Views
It was more of an answer to beetnemesis's hypothetical comment Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:18:58 PM 826 Views
I thought that they were still serving fish, at least? *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 02:24:21 AM 414 Views
hahahaha Aisha - 20/02/2010 01:01:07 AM 777 Views
Re: hahahaha Isaac - 20/02/2010 04:10:31 AM 712 Views
Interesting beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 04:01:17 AM 711 Views
Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... Legolas - 19/02/2010 01:23:49 PM 906 Views
but what's wrong with eating halal meat? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:33:17 PM 742 Views
Nothing per se, it's largely symbolic. I'm not sure how large the changes in the menu actually are. Legolas - 19/02/2010 01:42:54 PM 865 Views
Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM 826 Views
but is it the jews and observant christians complaining? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM 677 Views
I've no clue Isaac - 19/02/2010 02:46:53 PM 862 Views
why would they be serving pork at a fast food anyways? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM 660 Views
I checked the standard menu - other than one special burger with bacon, it's true there's no pork. *NM* Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:55:44 PM 336 Views
my point is how many fast food places have pork? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 03:06:44 PM 658 Views
Well normally bacon is considered pork Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM 667 Views
Dude, it's France. They don't do English breakfasts. Legolas - 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM 830 Views
American Breakfast, the english stole it from us Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:36:42 PM 762 Views
They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... Legolas - 19/02/2010 03:48:06 PM 800 Views
Re: They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... Isaac - 19/02/2010 04:16:22 PM 812 Views
Not a theologian, are we? snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM 690 Views
from what we discussed in Meat Sciene LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM 742 Views
Oh? snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:42:57 PM 755 Views
you could probably argue that it is less humane LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:54:32 PM 652 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM 907 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM 808 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM 871 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM 656 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 06:10:50 PM 670 Views
Upper tip Isaac - 19/02/2010 06:14:06 PM 612 Views
Re: but what's wrong with eating halal meat? Sareitha Sedai - 19/02/2010 02:33:14 PM 782 Views
+1 The Shrike - 19/02/2010 07:07:36 PM 677 Views
It is a MacDonalds not public service provider random thoughts - 19/02/2010 08:11:36 PM 672 Views
Oh, and then there's something else, though I don't know if it's a factor here... Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:41:46 PM 699 Views
Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... snoopcester - 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM 809 Views
That's what I was thinking too. Lupine - 19/02/2010 06:04:02 PM 830 Views
You think the reasons are as objective as that ? AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 02:24:36 PM 622 Views
I wouldn't exactly call the reasons I named "objective", myself. Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:37:56 PM 750 Views
Haha, yeah AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:24:00 PM 661 Views
Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 02:14:19 PM 777 Views
Re: Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 05:02:18 PM 701 Views
Are you refering to something specific ? AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:18:38 PM 719 Views
Re: Are you refering to something specific ? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 07:21:35 PM 614 Views
In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:26:51 PM 625 Views
Re: In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 07:30:33 PM 653 Views
The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. Legolas - 19/02/2010 08:53:44 PM 684 Views
Re: The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 08:55:53 PM 737 Views
Why are such politicians automatically "crazy" ßelals Girl - 19/02/2010 10:16:53 PM 781 Views
yep. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/02/2010 12:09:56 PM 325 Views
Really can't see why people would get so worked up random thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:57:37 PM 613 Views
No big deal.. Kel - 19/02/2010 04:16:08 PM 700 Views
i can't see why it matters that they did. i think it's great. *NM* temeraire - 19/02/2010 05:23:44 PM 388 Views
So, what is the difference between Halal Beef and normal beef? *NM* MightyYT - 19/02/2010 07:06:21 PM 316 Views
the way it is killed. *NM* jh - 19/02/2010 07:26:02 PM 410 Views
Call me an obvious bigot and prejudiced then. I think the way they did this is bad. The Shrike - 19/02/2010 07:10:40 PM 719 Views
Having two sources of meat would raise prices even more beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 07:56:21 PM 674 Views
Not to mention the fact that anything served as halal would have to be cooked separately Floffe - 19/02/2010 10:55:06 PM 635 Views
I wonder how teh Saudis or Iranians would react... Dragonsoul - 19/02/2010 08:51:11 PM 672 Views
most halal foods would always qualify as kosher, i believe. LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 02:26:49 AM 613 Views
Nope. But it does work the other way around. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/02/2010 04:50:26 AM 333 Views
fair enough, then *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 05:56:00 AM 482 Views
yupp, kosher counts as halal, halal is not kosher though *NM* Aisha - 20/02/2010 12:55:30 PM 435 Views
So let me get this straight... Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 08:42:04 AM 804 Views
wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM 784 Views
I think you missed his point beckstcw - 20/02/2010 10:12:18 PM 676 Views
There are many answers one could give, but the most basic one is quite simple... Legolas - 20/02/2010 10:20:14 PM 799 Views
And yet having come of their own free will... Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 11:11:51 PM 667 Views
Way to read half a post. I am impressed. jh - 21/02/2010 12:10:39 AM 671 Views
It always starts small. Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM 642 Views
Awesome, you figured out their master plan!! LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:06:27 AM 740 Views
Like I said... Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 08:43:32 AM 695 Views
and really... in this case it's a private enterprise we're talking about AgentOrange - 21/02/2010 12:55:27 AM 643 Views
exactly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:06:57 AM 445 Views
Oh I know, don't get me wrong. I was trying to clarify *NM* beckstcw - 21/02/2010 04:13:19 AM 362 Views
I didn't miss it, I just thought it wasn't worth noting. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:11:14 AM 900 Views
Re: wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 10:13:12 PM 847 Views
Yes, i'm sure there is no other restaurant in that whole area. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:04:29 AM 795 Views
that's not the point. Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 08:46:14 AM 718 Views
dude. your 'THEY" did not do anything. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 03:01:48 PM 773 Views
So if your French every restaurant should only be allowed to serve what you want served? random thoughts - 22/02/2010 07:18:00 PM 667 Views
I don't think French society should be forced to consume Islamic food. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 01:31:03 AM 662 Views
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 02:47:56 AM 718 Views
Sure they are. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:05:12 AM 695 Views
well they apparently still have 354 of that particular restaurant LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 03:20:07 AM 652 Views
Don't you get it? LiterateDog - 23/02/2010 03:51:09 AM 630 Views
Actually they're not ragheads. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:43:14 PM 639 Views
If you have a sarcasm meter, you might want to switch it on. *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:37:41 PM 310 Views
Indeed, 354 throughout the whole of France, which actually isn't that many. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:42:30 PM 677 Views
how many French people starved to death before McDonalds opened? random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:30:32 PM 698 Views
Millions Isaac - 23/02/2010 04:41:23 PM 656 Views
Huh. Sareitha Sedai - 23/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 651 Views
They are not forced to do anything snoopcester - 23/02/2010 04:41:35 PM 633 Views
So Muslims should be forced to eat French food because the French are lazy to open more restaurants? random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:43:13 AM 592 Views
well don't you see? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 12:41:40 PM 698 Views
Re: well don't you see? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:02:16 PM 636 Views
I agree with you. *NM* Rebekah - 23/02/2010 05:10:53 PM 302 Views
This is meant to be an edit... Rebekah - 23/02/2010 05:14:23 PM 700 Views
I agree, Bekah, but it's not like there's not a middle ground LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:25:30 PM 642 Views
It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM 790 Views
That assumes a great deal LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 06:52:41 PM 761 Views
Re: That assumes a great deal ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:00:28 PM 792 Views
Very true. Test case: Lebanon AgentOrange - 24/02/2010 12:26:43 AM 641 Views
Really? snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 632 Views
What he's referring to... Legolas - 24/02/2010 10:20:22 AM 813 Views
Oh that, that I knew with the political system snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:57:08 AM 634 Views
Re: This is meant to be an edit... ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:43:03 PM 850 Views
Well, biologically speaking, it is healthier for the gene pool. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 06:55:11 PM 659 Views
"Propaganda"? Kind of exaggerating there... Legolas - 23/02/2010 07:48:39 PM 765 Views
How is it not propaganda? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:31:12 PM 829 Views
I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 08:54:54 PM 674 Views
Re: I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 09:08:33 PM 1086 Views
your view point is idealistic, I think LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:24:08 PM 931 Views
I guess one would have to see the documentary to really judge. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:58:47 PM 780 Views
The language really isn't the problem in France. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM 791 Views
I will conceed that point ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:53:26 PM 775 Views
Oh yeah, definitely, re: your point about Americans *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2010 09:00:20 PM 319 Views
Our differing opinion does not make us wrong. or that you are. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:07:38 PM 817 Views
I'm not dismissing the problem entirely. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:03:50 PM 774 Views
Well. I wasn't necessarily specifying France. *NM* Rebekah - 23/02/2010 09:48:44 PM 315 Views
But a lot of them were already in a part of France or had been born in a part of France snoopcester - 23/02/2010 05:30:24 PM 666 Views
*gasp* There are no French Muslims!! LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:36:38 PM 790 Views
Or! snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:04:44 AM 875 Views
It's funny because it's true - Algeria was administratively a part of France, iirc. *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2010 07:51:17 PM 272 Views
It does make the situation more complicated snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:30:28 AM 704 Views
Why should you have to completely change who you are? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:35:51 PM 642 Views
Yes, of course ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:48:10 PM 639 Views
Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM 628 Views
Re: Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 07:38:54 PM 777 Views
So they should be treated as less because they're immigrants? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:45:16 PM 707 Views
They're not Turks, they're mostly from France's old colonies. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:10:25 PM 637 Views
The French didn't seem to feel the need to go native when they were in Middle Eastern countries random thoughts - 23/02/2010 05:55:28 PM 884 Views
What are you refering to? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:00:45 PM 669 Views
Brush up on your history then random thoughts - 23/02/2010 06:25:53 PM 697 Views
Thank you ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:34:19 PM 633 Views
I would think that simply having McDonalds there is a greater threat to French cultrue random thoughts - 23/02/2010 06:52:34 PM 762 Views
This. well stated. *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:03:47 PM 308 Views
Why thank you *NM* random thoughts - 23/02/2010 11:49:22 PM 302 Views
They had Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and for a while Lebanon and Syria. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:00:08 PM 854 Views
Many? Floffe - 23/02/2010 07:40:06 AM 700 Views
sorry I thought it was a restaurant random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:41:39 AM 651 Views
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