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Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac Send a noteboard - 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM

This would be different if their meat was blessed to Shiva, Apollo, Damkina, Aldur, Shaitan, Hekate, Mars, etc; however, I don't care what you say, because Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all stem out of the exact same book, so all of this bull shit claiming they're serving "different gods" is exactly that: bull shit.


In the context of this discussion, which is how it applies to current religious practices, the rules on kosher predate the existance of islam and christianity, and Paul was unlikely to have been refering to kosher food practices what with being a jew and islam not existing for several more centuries, he didn't really discuss halal either. You are certainly welcome to explain to the various pastors, priests, imams, and rabbis why their theological beliefs on cuisine are bullshit, but the opinion of rabbis on hallal not being kosher is pretty firmly established. I'm also not sure why you 'don't care what I say' since I made no comment about your follow up at all, just pointed out that various christian denominations regard those passages I quoted differently. Uh, if you wish to dispute that, I suggest taking it up with someone else, as I'm fairly sure that various chrisitan denominations regard those passages differently. If you're shopping around for a theological debate, I suggest Tom, I don't engage in them. I have no interest in discussing the moral justifications or truth of different religions, I was pointing out what the primary modern attitude of those religions was on the matters of what was okay to eat.


Sorry for my post, Isaac. I just had a very bad religious discussion with some family members that I am embarrassed to be related to; this opened up some wounds that were still not closed (well, just made some open wounds bigger). I didn't mean to insult you.


NP, it happens, and I don't hold grudges, especialy on fellow Ohio-ans who have the character to apoligize. :) Forget about it.
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French fast food chain goes halal - 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM 1591 Views
that isn't unusual at all...I don't see the big deal - 19/02/2010 06:42:58 AM 574 Views
...how is it "discriminatory?" - 19/02/2010 06:49:24 AM 1045 Views
just as a note - 19/02/2010 01:06:30 PM 672 Views
(It wasn't a reference to Hinduism) - 19/02/2010 05:29:40 PM 661 Views
yah. that's hinduism - 19/02/2010 05:52:41 PM 741 Views
Makes sense - 19/02/2010 06:12:49 PM 686 Views
Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots - 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM 986 Views
Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 12:58:20 PM 733 Views
it's not discrimination in the slightest - 19/02/2010 01:13:03 PM 854 Views
That was my point - 19/02/2010 01:22:55 PM 761 Views
sorry - 19/02/2010 01:29:11 PM 696 Views
No problem - 19/02/2010 02:02:46 PM 696 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 01:44:27 PM 694 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 02:15:37 PM 845 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 02:33:30 PM 934 Views
dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. - 19/02/2010 02:40:18 PM 760 Views
Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. - 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM 857 Views
yes, how dare a shop specialize - 19/02/2010 03:44:59 PM 670 Views
Indeed *NM* - 19/02/2010 03:53:28 PM 363 Views
...I don't think that's a thing? - 19/02/2010 05:31:52 PM 708 Views
To the contrary - 19/02/2010 07:07:40 PM 746 Views
the restaurant does not have 100% halal food. - 19/02/2010 07:40:52 PM 701 Views
It was more of an answer to beetnemesis's hypothetical comment - 19/02/2010 08:18:58 PM 835 Views
I thought that they were still serving fish, at least? *NM* - 20/02/2010 02:24:21 AM 422 Views
hahahaha - 20/02/2010 01:01:07 AM 798 Views
Re: hahahaha - 20/02/2010 04:10:31 AM 724 Views
Interesting - 20/02/2010 04:01:17 AM 722 Views
Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... - 19/02/2010 01:23:49 PM 918 Views
but what's wrong with eating halal meat? - 19/02/2010 01:33:17 PM 758 Views
Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM 839 Views
but is it the jews and observant christians complaining? - 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM 693 Views
I've no clue - 19/02/2010 02:46:53 PM 882 Views
why would they be serving pork at a fast food anyways? - 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM 675 Views
Well normally bacon is considered pork - 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM 685 Views
Dude, it's France. They don't do English breakfasts. - 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM 841 Views
American Breakfast, the english stole it from us - 19/02/2010 03:36:42 PM 774 Views
They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... - 19/02/2010 03:48:06 PM 813 Views
Re: They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... - 19/02/2010 04:16:22 PM 824 Views
Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM 706 Views
from what we discussed in Meat Sciene - 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM 758 Views
Oh? - 19/02/2010 02:42:57 PM 768 Views
you could probably argue that it is less humane - 19/02/2010 02:54:32 PM 668 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM 922 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM 822 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM 884 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM 672 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 06:10:50 PM 682 Views
Upper tip - 19/02/2010 06:14:06 PM 626 Views
Re: but what's wrong with eating halal meat? - 19/02/2010 02:33:14 PM 793 Views
+1 - 19/02/2010 07:07:36 PM 687 Views
It is a MacDonalds not public service provider - 19/02/2010 08:11:36 PM 695 Views
Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... - 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM 827 Views
That's what I was thinking too. - 19/02/2010 06:04:02 PM 846 Views
You think the reasons are as objective as that ? - 19/02/2010 02:24:36 PM 638 Views
I wouldn't exactly call the reasons I named "objective", myself. - 19/02/2010 02:37:56 PM 765 Views
Haha, yeah - 19/02/2010 07:24:00 PM 671 Views
Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. - 19/02/2010 02:14:19 PM 793 Views
Re: Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. - 19/02/2010 05:02:18 PM 718 Views
Are you refering to something specific ? - 19/02/2010 07:18:38 PM 731 Views
Re: Are you refering to something specific ? - 19/02/2010 07:21:35 PM 626 Views
In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. - 19/02/2010 07:26:51 PM 639 Views
Re: In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. - 19/02/2010 07:30:33 PM 662 Views
The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. - 19/02/2010 08:53:44 PM 704 Views
Re: The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. - 19/02/2010 08:55:53 PM 753 Views
Why are such politicians automatically "crazy" - 19/02/2010 10:16:53 PM 799 Views
yep. *NM* - 20/02/2010 12:09:56 PM 330 Views
Really can't see why people would get so worked up - 19/02/2010 03:57:37 PM 624 Views
No big deal.. - 19/02/2010 04:16:08 PM 714 Views
i can't see why it matters that they did. i think it's great. *NM* - 19/02/2010 05:23:44 PM 396 Views
So, what is the difference between Halal Beef and normal beef? *NM* - 19/02/2010 07:06:21 PM 323 Views
the way it is killed. *NM* - 19/02/2010 07:26:02 PM 417 Views
I wonder how teh Saudis or Iranians would react... - 19/02/2010 08:51:11 PM 695 Views
most halal foods would always qualify as kosher, i believe. - 20/02/2010 02:26:49 AM 630 Views
Nope. But it does work the other way around. *NM* - 20/02/2010 04:50:26 AM 338 Views
fair enough, then *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:56:00 AM 490 Views
yupp, kosher counts as halal, halal is not kosher though *NM* - 20/02/2010 12:55:30 PM 442 Views
So let me get this straight... - 20/02/2010 08:42:04 AM 819 Views
wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing - 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM 792 Views
I think you missed his point - 20/02/2010 10:12:18 PM 693 Views
There are many answers one could give, but the most basic one is quite simple... - 20/02/2010 10:20:14 PM 808 Views
And yet having come of their own free will... - 20/02/2010 11:11:51 PM 683 Views
Way to read half a post. I am impressed. - 21/02/2010 12:10:39 AM 681 Views
It always starts small. - 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM 655 Views
Awesome, you figured out their master plan!! - 21/02/2010 02:06:27 AM 757 Views
Like I said... - 21/02/2010 08:43:32 AM 711 Views
and really... in this case it's a private enterprise we're talking about - 21/02/2010 12:55:27 AM 654 Views
exactly. *NM* - 21/02/2010 02:06:57 AM 450 Views
Oh I know, don't get me wrong. I was trying to clarify *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:13:19 AM 368 Views
I didn't miss it, I just thought it wasn't worth noting. - 21/02/2010 02:11:14 AM 923 Views
Re: wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing - 20/02/2010 10:13:12 PM 864 Views
Yes, i'm sure there is no other restaurant in that whole area. - 21/02/2010 02:04:29 AM 808 Views
that's not the point. - 21/02/2010 08:46:14 AM 734 Views
dude. your 'THEY" did not do anything. - 21/02/2010 03:01:48 PM 789 Views
So if your French every restaurant should only be allowed to serve what you want served? - 22/02/2010 07:18:00 PM 684 Views
I don't think French society should be forced to consume Islamic food. - 23/02/2010 01:31:03 AM 672 Views
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. - 23/02/2010 02:47:56 AM 729 Views
Sure they are. - 23/02/2010 03:05:12 AM 706 Views
well they apparently still have 354 of that particular restaurant - 23/02/2010 03:20:07 AM 664 Views
Don't you get it? - 23/02/2010 03:51:09 AM 642 Views
Actually they're not ragheads. - 23/02/2010 03:43:14 PM 656 Views
If you have a sarcasm meter, you might want to switch it on. *NM* - 23/02/2010 05:37:41 PM 318 Views
Indeed, 354 throughout the whole of France, which actually isn't that many. - 23/02/2010 03:42:30 PM 691 Views
how many French people starved to death before McDonalds opened? - 23/02/2010 04:30:32 PM 714 Views
Millions - 23/02/2010 04:41:23 PM 671 Views
Huh. - 23/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 660 Views
They are not forced to do anything - 23/02/2010 04:41:35 PM 646 Views
So Muslims should be forced to eat French food because the French are lazy to open more restaurants? - 23/02/2010 04:43:13 AM 605 Views
well don't you see? - 23/02/2010 12:41:40 PM 708 Views
Re: well don't you see? - 23/02/2010 05:02:16 PM 652 Views
I agree with you. *NM* - 23/02/2010 05:10:53 PM 309 Views
This is meant to be an edit... - 23/02/2010 05:14:23 PM 715 Views
I agree, Bekah, but it's not like there's not a middle ground - 23/02/2010 05:25:30 PM 655 Views
It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome - 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM 801 Views
That assumes a great deal - 23/02/2010 06:52:41 PM 779 Views
Re: That assumes a great deal - 23/02/2010 08:00:28 PM 805 Views
Very true. Test case: Lebanon - 24/02/2010 12:26:43 AM 656 Views
Really? - 24/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 647 Views
What he's referring to... - 24/02/2010 10:20:22 AM 828 Views
Oh that, that I knew with the political system - 24/02/2010 10:57:08 AM 655 Views
Re: This is meant to be an edit... - 23/02/2010 05:43:03 PM 863 Views
Well, biologically speaking, it is healthier for the gene pool. - 23/02/2010 06:55:11 PM 671 Views
"Propaganda"? Kind of exaggerating there... - 23/02/2010 07:48:39 PM 786 Views
How is it not propaganda? - 23/02/2010 08:31:12 PM 847 Views
I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. - 23/02/2010 08:54:54 PM 691 Views
Re: I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. - 23/02/2010 09:08:33 PM 1115 Views
your view point is idealistic, I think - 23/02/2010 09:24:08 PM 951 Views
I guess one would have to see the documentary to really judge. - 23/02/2010 08:58:47 PM 795 Views
The language really isn't the problem in France. - 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM 804 Views
I will conceed that point - 23/02/2010 08:53:26 PM 789 Views
Oh yeah, definitely, re: your point about Americans *NM* - 23/02/2010 09:00:20 PM 327 Views
Our differing opinion does not make us wrong. or that you are. - 23/02/2010 09:07:38 PM 837 Views
I'm not dismissing the problem entirely. - 23/02/2010 09:03:50 PM 788 Views
Well. I wasn't necessarily specifying France. *NM* - 23/02/2010 09:48:44 PM 334 Views
But a lot of them were already in a part of France or had been born in a part of France - 23/02/2010 05:30:24 PM 675 Views
*gasp* There are no French Muslims!! - 23/02/2010 05:36:38 PM 805 Views
Or! - 24/02/2010 10:04:44 AM 893 Views
It's funny because it's true - Algeria was administratively a part of France, iirc. *NM* - 23/02/2010 07:51:17 PM 279 Views
It does make the situation more complicated - 24/02/2010 10:30:28 AM 723 Views
Why should you have to completely change who you are? - 23/02/2010 05:35:51 PM 654 Views
Yes, of course - 23/02/2010 05:48:10 PM 652 Views
Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole - 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM 643 Views
Re: Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole - 23/02/2010 07:38:54 PM 792 Views
So they should be treated as less because they're immigrants? - 23/02/2010 07:45:16 PM 724 Views
They're not Turks, they're mostly from France's old colonies. - 23/02/2010 08:10:25 PM 649 Views
The French didn't seem to feel the need to go native when they were in Middle Eastern countries - 23/02/2010 05:55:28 PM 903 Views
What are you refering to? - 23/02/2010 06:00:45 PM 682 Views
Brush up on your history then - 23/02/2010 06:25:53 PM 711 Views
Thank you - 23/02/2010 06:34:19 PM 651 Views
I would think that simply having McDonalds there is a greater threat to French cultrue - 23/02/2010 06:52:34 PM 779 Views
This. well stated. *NM* - 23/02/2010 07:03:47 PM 314 Views
Why thank you *NM* - 23/02/2010 11:49:22 PM 308 Views
Many? - 23/02/2010 07:40:06 AM 713 Views
sorry I thought it was a restaurant - 23/02/2010 04:41:39 AM 663 Views

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