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The language really isn't the problem in France. Legolas Send a noteboard - 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM
With clarification: I don't see any reason why people should have to drop their religious beliefs when they come to another country, and halal food is part of Islam. It doesn't actually hurt anyone for halal restaurants to be opened up in neighbourhoods with a high proportion of Muslims. It's also good business sense.

It is very much not-good, however, when immigrants move into one area and then continue living their lives as if they were back in their old country without learning the new language, or making any effort to integrate or whatever, which often happens.


And that kind of nuances and the realization that there are serious differences between countries in which problems exist and how they manifest themselves are what I'm missing in BG's posts (well, in DS's too, but really, there I don't expect them anymore).
Of course, I agree with her and with you in balking at Celia seeming to dismiss the real problems almost entirely. (Is there anyone left I haven't disagreed with? )
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French fast food chain goes halal - 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM 1663 Views
that isn't unusual at all...I don't see the big deal - 19/02/2010 06:42:58 AM 633 Views
...how is it "discriminatory?" - 19/02/2010 06:49:24 AM 1103 Views
just as a note - 19/02/2010 01:06:30 PM 734 Views
(It wasn't a reference to Hinduism) - 19/02/2010 05:29:40 PM 712 Views
yah. that's hinduism - 19/02/2010 05:52:41 PM 811 Views
Makes sense - 19/02/2010 06:12:49 PM 745 Views
Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots - 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM 1048 Views
Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 12:58:20 PM 795 Views
it's not discrimination in the slightest - 19/02/2010 01:13:03 PM 912 Views
That was my point - 19/02/2010 01:22:55 PM 815 Views
sorry - 19/02/2010 01:29:11 PM 751 Views
No problem - 19/02/2010 02:02:46 PM 762 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 01:44:27 PM 749 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 02:15:37 PM 905 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 02:33:30 PM 999 Views
dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. - 19/02/2010 02:40:18 PM 817 Views
Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. - 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM 909 Views
yes, how dare a shop specialize - 19/02/2010 03:44:59 PM 727 Views
Indeed *NM* - 19/02/2010 03:53:28 PM 395 Views
...I don't think that's a thing? - 19/02/2010 05:31:52 PM 769 Views
To the contrary - 19/02/2010 07:07:40 PM 803 Views
the restaurant does not have 100% halal food. - 19/02/2010 07:40:52 PM 756 Views
It was more of an answer to beetnemesis's hypothetical comment - 19/02/2010 08:18:58 PM 896 Views
I thought that they were still serving fish, at least? *NM* - 20/02/2010 02:24:21 AM 451 Views
hahahaha - 20/02/2010 01:01:07 AM 856 Views
Re: hahahaha - 20/02/2010 04:10:31 AM 781 Views
Interesting - 20/02/2010 04:01:17 AM 785 Views
Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... - 19/02/2010 01:23:49 PM 982 Views
but what's wrong with eating halal meat? - 19/02/2010 01:33:17 PM 814 Views
Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM 903 Views
but is it the jews and observant christians complaining? - 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM 752 Views
I've no clue - 19/02/2010 02:46:53 PM 929 Views
why would they be serving pork at a fast food anyways? - 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM 734 Views
Well normally bacon is considered pork - 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM 740 Views
Dude, it's France. They don't do English breakfasts. - 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM 894 Views
American Breakfast, the english stole it from us - 19/02/2010 03:36:42 PM 831 Views
They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... - 19/02/2010 03:48:06 PM 875 Views
Re: They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... - 19/02/2010 04:16:22 PM 884 Views
Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM 753 Views
from what we discussed in Meat Sciene - 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM 819 Views
Oh? - 19/02/2010 02:42:57 PM 826 Views
you could probably argue that it is less humane - 19/02/2010 02:54:32 PM 724 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM 980 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM 875 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM 944 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM 722 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 06:10:50 PM 740 Views
Upper tip - 19/02/2010 06:14:06 PM 689 Views
Re: but what's wrong with eating halal meat? - 19/02/2010 02:33:14 PM 853 Views
+1 - 19/02/2010 07:07:36 PM 747 Views
It is a MacDonalds not public service provider - 19/02/2010 08:11:36 PM 758 Views
Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... - 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM 883 Views
That's what I was thinking too. - 19/02/2010 06:04:02 PM 908 Views
You think the reasons are as objective as that ? - 19/02/2010 02:24:36 PM 707 Views
I wouldn't exactly call the reasons I named "objective", myself. - 19/02/2010 02:37:56 PM 821 Views
Haha, yeah - 19/02/2010 07:24:00 PM 734 Views
Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. - 19/02/2010 02:14:19 PM 854 Views
Re: Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. - 19/02/2010 05:02:18 PM 769 Views
Are you refering to something specific ? - 19/02/2010 07:18:38 PM 796 Views
Re: Are you refering to something specific ? - 19/02/2010 07:21:35 PM 683 Views
In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. - 19/02/2010 07:26:51 PM 701 Views
Re: In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. - 19/02/2010 07:30:33 PM 721 Views
The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. - 19/02/2010 08:53:44 PM 757 Views
Re: The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. - 19/02/2010 08:55:53 PM 814 Views
Why are such politicians automatically "crazy" - 19/02/2010 10:16:53 PM 862 Views
yep. *NM* - 20/02/2010 12:09:56 PM 368 Views
Really can't see why people would get so worked up - 19/02/2010 03:57:37 PM 688 Views
No big deal.. - 19/02/2010 04:16:08 PM 772 Views
i can't see why it matters that they did. i think it's great. *NM* - 19/02/2010 05:23:44 PM 432 Views
So, what is the difference between Halal Beef and normal beef? *NM* - 19/02/2010 07:06:21 PM 369 Views
the way it is killed. *NM* - 19/02/2010 07:26:02 PM 449 Views
I wonder how teh Saudis or Iranians would react... - 19/02/2010 08:51:11 PM 755 Views
most halal foods would always qualify as kosher, i believe. - 20/02/2010 02:26:49 AM 695 Views
Nope. But it does work the other way around. *NM* - 20/02/2010 04:50:26 AM 371 Views
fair enough, then *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:56:00 AM 522 Views
yupp, kosher counts as halal, halal is not kosher though *NM* - 20/02/2010 12:55:30 PM 473 Views
So let me get this straight... - 20/02/2010 08:42:04 AM 886 Views
wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing - 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM 848 Views
I think you missed his point - 20/02/2010 10:12:18 PM 750 Views
There are many answers one could give, but the most basic one is quite simple... - 20/02/2010 10:20:14 PM 868 Views
And yet having come of their own free will... - 20/02/2010 11:11:51 PM 747 Views
Way to read half a post. I am impressed. - 21/02/2010 12:10:39 AM 743 Views
It always starts small. - 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM 717 Views
Awesome, you figured out their master plan!! - 21/02/2010 02:06:27 AM 817 Views
Like I said... - 21/02/2010 08:43:32 AM 770 Views
and really... in this case it's a private enterprise we're talking about - 21/02/2010 12:55:27 AM 717 Views
exactly. *NM* - 21/02/2010 02:06:57 AM 480 Views
Oh I know, don't get me wrong. I was trying to clarify *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:13:19 AM 398 Views
I didn't miss it, I just thought it wasn't worth noting. - 21/02/2010 02:11:14 AM 986 Views
Re: wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing - 20/02/2010 10:13:12 PM 926 Views
Yes, i'm sure there is no other restaurant in that whole area. - 21/02/2010 02:04:29 AM 871 Views
that's not the point. - 21/02/2010 08:46:14 AM 791 Views
dude. your 'THEY" did not do anything. - 21/02/2010 03:01:48 PM 842 Views
So if your French every restaurant should only be allowed to serve what you want served? - 22/02/2010 07:18:00 PM 739 Views
I don't think French society should be forced to consume Islamic food. - 23/02/2010 01:31:03 AM 727 Views
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. - 23/02/2010 02:47:56 AM 785 Views
Sure they are. - 23/02/2010 03:05:12 AM 768 Views
well they apparently still have 354 of that particular restaurant - 23/02/2010 03:20:07 AM 724 Views
Don't you get it? - 23/02/2010 03:51:09 AM 701 Views
Actually they're not ragheads. - 23/02/2010 03:43:14 PM 717 Views
If you have a sarcasm meter, you might want to switch it on. *NM* - 23/02/2010 05:37:41 PM 350 Views
Indeed, 354 throughout the whole of France, which actually isn't that many. - 23/02/2010 03:42:30 PM 741 Views
how many French people starved to death before McDonalds opened? - 23/02/2010 04:30:32 PM 773 Views
Millions - 23/02/2010 04:41:23 PM 743 Views
Huh. - 23/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 717 Views
They are not forced to do anything - 23/02/2010 04:41:35 PM 704 Views
So Muslims should be forced to eat French food because the French are lazy to open more restaurants? - 23/02/2010 04:43:13 AM 663 Views
well don't you see? - 23/02/2010 12:41:40 PM 776 Views
Re: well don't you see? - 23/02/2010 05:02:16 PM 705 Views
I agree with you. *NM* - 23/02/2010 05:10:53 PM 354 Views
This is meant to be an edit... - 23/02/2010 05:14:23 PM 774 Views
I agree, Bekah, but it's not like there's not a middle ground - 23/02/2010 05:25:30 PM 708 Views
It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome - 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM 865 Views
That assumes a great deal - 23/02/2010 06:52:41 PM 835 Views
Re: That assumes a great deal - 23/02/2010 08:00:28 PM 860 Views
Very true. Test case: Lebanon - 24/02/2010 12:26:43 AM 716 Views
Really? - 24/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 708 Views
What he's referring to... - 24/02/2010 10:20:22 AM 876 Views
Oh that, that I knew with the political system - 24/02/2010 10:57:08 AM 719 Views
Re: This is meant to be an edit... - 23/02/2010 05:43:03 PM 926 Views
Well, biologically speaking, it is healthier for the gene pool. - 23/02/2010 06:55:11 PM 725 Views
"Propaganda"? Kind of exaggerating there... - 23/02/2010 07:48:39 PM 843 Views
How is it not propaganda? - 23/02/2010 08:31:12 PM 896 Views
I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. - 23/02/2010 08:54:54 PM 751 Views
Re: I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. - 23/02/2010 09:08:33 PM 1181 Views
your view point is idealistic, I think - 23/02/2010 09:24:08 PM 1014 Views
I guess one would have to see the documentary to really judge. - 23/02/2010 08:58:47 PM 849 Views
The language really isn't the problem in France. - 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM 858 Views
I will conceed that point - 23/02/2010 08:53:26 PM 850 Views
Oh yeah, definitely, re: your point about Americans *NM* - 23/02/2010 09:00:20 PM 362 Views
Our differing opinion does not make us wrong. or that you are. - 23/02/2010 09:07:38 PM 892 Views
I'm not dismissing the problem entirely. - 23/02/2010 09:03:50 PM 856 Views
Well. I wasn't necessarily specifying France. *NM* - 23/02/2010 09:48:44 PM 367 Views
But a lot of them were already in a part of France or had been born in a part of France - 23/02/2010 05:30:24 PM 735 Views
*gasp* There are no French Muslims!! - 23/02/2010 05:36:38 PM 861 Views
Or! - 24/02/2010 10:04:44 AM 947 Views
It's funny because it's true - Algeria was administratively a part of France, iirc. *NM* - 23/02/2010 07:51:17 PM 309 Views
It does make the situation more complicated - 24/02/2010 10:30:28 AM 782 Views
Why should you have to completely change who you are? - 23/02/2010 05:35:51 PM 718 Views
Yes, of course - 23/02/2010 05:48:10 PM 711 Views
Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole - 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM 700 Views
Re: Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole - 23/02/2010 07:38:54 PM 848 Views
So they should be treated as less because they're immigrants? - 23/02/2010 07:45:16 PM 770 Views
They're not Turks, they're mostly from France's old colonies. - 23/02/2010 08:10:25 PM 725 Views
The French didn't seem to feel the need to go native when they were in Middle Eastern countries - 23/02/2010 05:55:28 PM 966 Views
What are you refering to? - 23/02/2010 06:00:45 PM 737 Views
Brush up on your history then - 23/02/2010 06:25:53 PM 762 Views
Thank you - 23/02/2010 06:34:19 PM 706 Views
I would think that simply having McDonalds there is a greater threat to French cultrue - 23/02/2010 06:52:34 PM 833 Views
This. well stated. *NM* - 23/02/2010 07:03:47 PM 345 Views
Why thank you *NM* - 23/02/2010 11:49:22 PM 339 Views
Many? - 23/02/2010 07:40:06 AM 773 Views
sorry I thought it was a restaurant - 23/02/2010 04:41:39 AM 720 Views

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