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While I support homeschooling, this is ridiculous. LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 04:48:40 AM
There is nothing dire about your children having to spend a year in a school of your choosing while you wait to go through the immigration process properly. Asylum should be reserved for those who actually require it. Not for a couple of parents who disagree with their country's education system. That's something you just tough out during the year or so to get your immigration papers work done.

Not to mention that I'm still confused as to why they moved to the states. Because a US-based advocacy group recommended...the US? I'm sure that was a very impartial and objective opinion.
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Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. Cannoli - 02/03/2010 10:30:01 PM 1617 Views
Looks like a win-win situation to me. Legolas - 02/03/2010 11:01:22 PM 859 Views
Exactly ironclad - 03/03/2010 08:54:10 AM 821 Views
yah...but...but.... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:13:31 PM 742 Views
Germany does have a history of getting rid of people it doesn't like *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:08:37 PM 517 Views
Yawn. At least beckstcw was joking when he invoked Godwin's law below. I hope. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:10:18 PM 436 Views
That is a load of crap random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:53:02 PM 520 Views
uhm, how would Germany be offending the US? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:56:52 PM 488 Views
I meant in general not in this specfic case random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:59:01 PM 427 Views
ahh mk *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:09:39 PM 466 Views
Um. Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:57:53 PM 364 Views
But our religious beliefs and belief in allowing religious freedom is fair game? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:09:48 PM 370 Views
Yes? Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:40:30 PM 346 Views
If you made fun of the Native Americans I would be offended random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:46:05 PM 597 Views
It's actually quite the opposite. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:57:19 PM 574 Views
and I would say they trying to fix intolerance with more intolerance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:13:49 PM 358 Views
That was probably the stupidest thing I ever saw you write ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:28:39 PM 529 Views
You were the one who said good riddance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:43:24 PM 378 Views
It's the usual story of American ideology and European pragmatism. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:52:51 PM 536 Views
exactly. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:56:11 PM 485 Views
Yes, because I won't miss them much. ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:55:29 PM 571 Views
well said Aisha - 03/03/2010 06:34:18 PM 565 Views
This is getting a bit off the discussion. Please keep it civil, everyone. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:55:11 PM 458 Views
I think it's outrageous they'd fine people for that Isaac - 02/03/2010 11:07:57 PM 885 Views
Re: Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 01:09:23 AM 1012 Views
The socialization thing is mostly garbage Isaac - 03/03/2010 02:32:19 AM 875 Views
Yep, exactly. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:41:14 AM 670 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 03:12:48 AM 647 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:34:33 AM 899 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 04:34:30 AM 891 Views
*shrugs* I said it was anecdotal. I have no hard figures, only experiences. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:28:29 AM 642 Views
The operative word IS mostly LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:33:20 AM 843 Views
'Mostly' is all that matters Isaac - 03/03/2010 05:46:01 AM 873 Views
Uhm, socialization is incredibly important. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:03:30 AM 851 Views
Yes, but you don't need to be taught to do it Isaac - 03/03/2010 06:47:06 AM 814 Views
cats aren't pack or herd animals LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:53:02 AM 810 Views
Something of an inside joke, sorry Isaac - 03/03/2010 07:41:50 AM 825 Views
us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:05:27 PM 646 Views
Re: us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:19:21 PM 714 Views
I would agree that households with two working parnets shouldn't home school *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:22:51 PM 442 Views
I'm a homeschooling parent. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:09:03 PM 819 Views
LOL, we seem well represented on this site Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:02:16 PM 926 Views
to jump on the "I was homeschooled and I have social skills" bandwagon... Mat Maniac - 03/03/2010 06:27:05 AM 1236 Views
I think you may be missing some things random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:48:27 PM 929 Views
Re: I think you may be missing some things everynametaken - 05/03/2010 12:16:37 AM 1014 Views
I was homeschooled through grade 12, and my mom has done pro bono legal work for HSLDA. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:20:38 AM 802 Views
I agree that it can be a very good option for some families LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:42:21 AM 923 Views
Re: I agree that it can be a very good option for some families Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:16:17 AM 761 Views
It depends on the public school. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:23:09 AM 804 Views
Re: It depends on the public school. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:45:07 AM 816 Views
"done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:58:26 AM 625 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM 952 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:31:04 AM 867 Views
Well let's talk stats then. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:55:14 AM 810 Views
please do not get me started on statistis. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:11:19 AM 727 Views
Re: please do not get me started on statistis. Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:28:41 AM 784 Views
you missed my point. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:10:26 PM 808 Views
You seem to be ignoring the matter of qualified teachers. Legolas - 03/03/2010 01:29:01 PM 768 Views
Your comments on public school educations have rather limited relevance to other countries, though. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:30 AM 877 Views
+ ^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:11:04 PM 437 Views
While I support homeschooling, this is ridiculous. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:48:40 AM 926 Views
Meh. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:20:50 AM 858 Views
one year in a public school LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:13 AM 910 Views
Re: one year in a public school Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM 668 Views
No, I think i will nitpick. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:11:44 AM 817 Views
This is getting off track and wasting time. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:26:36 AM 841 Views
I'm not even certain it's 100% legal. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:34:44 AM 617 Views
Yes, but we can't argue abuse of law. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:51:23 AM 741 Views
I only used Mexicans because I'm from Arizona LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:29 AM 871 Views
I think I have the gist of it, Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:17:40 AM 749 Views
we haven't heard anything about their beliefs for me to think they're stupid. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:54:25 PM 856 Views
According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung... Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:38:13 PM 760 Views
they don't have private christian schools in germany? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:54:07 PM 725 Views
Not many, I dare say, but a few probably. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:59:11 PM 461 Views
Say what? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM 721 Views
Being able raise your kids by your beliefs is a frivolous matter? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:21:23 PM 656 Views
Germany is not saying "you can't raise your kids by your beliefs" LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:31:01 PM 765 Views
It's not a recent law, and supposedly other German families have moved to France and the UK. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:45:56 PM 855 Views
figured that. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:58:57 PM 742 Views
I think that would fly in very face of political assylum random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:12:48 PM 813 Views
Yes, but they did not need political asylum. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:28:16 PM 816 Views
how is that different then other political refuges we allow in? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:55:14 PM 741 Views
I believe Legolas linked an article LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:57:09 PM 725 Views
I never saw the link random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:08:21 PM 624 Views
I'm not sure if they offered "formal" assurances or some such LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:21:54 PM 560 Views
that was a mayor, I doubt he would have the final word on the issue random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:46:22 PM 619 Views
You don't have a law about removing children from parental custody? At all? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:43:15 PM 764 Views
They can take your kids from for not sending them to school but not for home schooling them random thoughts - 03/03/2010 10:35:48 PM 768 Views
Compared to not being able to feed your kids, yes, it is. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:42:58 PM 645 Views
yes but we don't grant political assylum for being hungry random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:34:23 PM 728 Views
no we don't. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:50:31 PM 592 Views
Do you have a better system? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:05:42 PM 889 Views
Immigration processes could certainly use some reform LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:22 PM 692 Views
The system sucks, big government typically does not function well random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:48:25 PM 646 Views
we probably would all be better off... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:27:28 PM 739 Views
good because Texas is taken random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:47:46 PM 763 Views
No, true, that was about the illegal immigrants. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:18 PM 858 Views
Oh, and did you miss the part where the federal government is appealing the decision? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:40:42 AM 442 Views
Absolutely. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:32:41 AM 825 Views
I would consider the threat of losing my children because of my beliefs to be a real threat *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:54:08 PM 486 Views
Doesn't matter why, but all parents should have the right to homeschool..... trzaska2000 - 03/03/2010 04:48:57 AM 684 Views
there are far worse faults for a country to have *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:14:11 AM 439 Views
That whole thing is pretty silly snoopcester - 03/03/2010 12:18:45 PM 904 Views
Re: socialising. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:13:49 PM 862 Views
And then there are secular people like myself, who The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:44:13 PM 818 Views
I think I'd do that too, if I had the patience. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:45:20 PM 686 Views
*agree* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:41:56 PM 856 Views
That is the catagory I'm in. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:46:12 PM 747 Views
Re: probably more likely snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:19:37 AM 869 Views
I am opposed to homeschooling but believe it should be a legal option. Tom - 03/03/2010 02:32:34 PM 833 Views
I think you make a good point here random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:22:59 PM 846 Views
but...but...parents can't educate their children outside of school!! LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:40:30 PM 773 Views
I don't agree with them I just support their right to be wrong random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:04:11 PM 836 Views
The statistics are flawed, as I've noted above LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 688 Views
they tend to beat private schools as well would should flatten out the demographics random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:53:38 PM 778 Views
Your views on this are not fact-driven Isaac - 03/03/2010 09:13:07 PM 871 Views
No, what you're saying is that my answer isn't driven by STATISTICS. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:36:50 PM 805 Views
Granted, but there is no obvious source for bias Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:57:19 PM 734 Views
Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Tom - 03/03/2010 11:51:17 PM 646 Views
Re: Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:16:29 AM 886 Views
You mean aside from the fact that you are already arguing about it? snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:14:02 AM 620 Views
Yes, I mentioned this in my reply to Tom, see below... Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:19:42 AM 765 Views
Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:21:41 AM 669 Views
Re: Fair enough Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:37:06 AM 1111 Views
Re: Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 09:39:38 AM 800 Views
And the wikipedia article you pointed me to had a different study that contradicts your point. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:42:54 PM 753 Views
Religious or *moral* instruction Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:49:48 PM 811 Views
I haven't really "met" you the way I meant it in that reply Tom - 03/03/2010 11:48:11 PM 619 Views
Granted but for our purposes I think people on this site would qualify Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:05:03 AM 787 Views
Umm Massachusetts did have slavery in 1717 random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:55:25 PM 730 Views
His argument on the law of Germany is a bad one generally, though, not just for that reason. Tom - 03/03/2010 03:31:00 PM 648 Views
Wow....so this got the board going. A question for everyone... Jeordam - 03/03/2010 06:02:57 PM 911 Views
I think it is incumbent on the state to show that kids are being in some way harmed random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:07:13 PM 852 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM 940 Views
I never said there should be no limits on what parents should be able to do random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:38:53 PM 886 Views
What you said was: SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:51:26 PM 903 Views
I think it's safe to say teaching your kids to be little sociopaths qualifies as harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 09:17:48 PM 660 Views
I think so too SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:46:41 PM 895 Views
I think the problem there was it was seen as inherently political, that, and showing harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 11:44:21 PM 713 Views
Yes they do. Provided... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 754 Views
One of the reasons... Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:40:54 PM 843 Views
that is fair enough LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:51:31 PM 720 Views
There is a reason why education until 18 (or 16, depending) is not merely a right, but a duty. Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:00:53 PM 824 Views
Hmmph. Inappropriate action on the part of the judge who allowed them to stay. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:22:08 PM 786 Views
I agree completely with this. *NM* The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:42:01 PM 492 Views
agree. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:49:01 PM 318 Views
You just skip the part where they have to show they are being persecuted random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:54:20 PM 907 Views
"Persecution" can be a matter of opinion, though. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 880 Views
officers will track down kids ditching school here. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:17:57 PM 921 Views
I'm not sure what they do in Canada SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:49:00 PM 866 Views
Agrees Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:54:59 PM 748 Views
As I said, most people would prefer to have their safety threatened to losing their kids. *NM* Cannoli - 06/03/2010 10:14:52 PM 521 Views
New Cosmic Powers of the admins Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:52:57 PM 651 Views
It is the Power of the Ben™ *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 08:48:11 PM 454 Views
*walks in, looks around* ßelals Girl - 03/03/2010 07:52:09 PM 863 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* Macharius - 03/03/2010 09:25:46 PM 640 Views
What, no defending Germany today? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:03:01 PM 459 Views
Even I need a day off *NM* ßelals Girl - 04/03/2010 01:02:17 AM 447 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* ironclad - 03/03/2010 10:33:24 PM 680 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 11:02:27 PM 850 Views
Am I recalling correctly that you know some German? Legolas - 03/03/2010 11:07:00 PM 812 Views
Sorry, nope. SilverWarder - 04/03/2010 09:14:49 PM 614 Views
Oh. Ah well. Legolas - 04/03/2010 09:23:11 PM 769 Views
One thing all of us homeschooled kids are missing is... beckstcw - 04/03/2010 01:53:22 AM 737 Views
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