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Re: It depends on the public school. Aemon Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 05:45:07 AM
Many schools have accelerated programs for kids that show more skill and aptitude. I was in "Gifted" reading all through elementary school, "gifted" math in 5th grade, and then Honors classes of varying sorts through middle and high school. Even in those classes, we often had assignments with a lot of choice in them. If you couldn't (or didn't want to) do a harder report, you could pick an easier topic. And none of that was particularly unusual for Phoenix (and Arizona ranks 2nd to Last for education!! :P)

Yes, homeschooling does enable for a student to get a very specific education that may be ideal for that student...but a public school won't necessarily give a "lowest denominator" or homogeneous education, either. And students always have the ability to teach themselves and drive themselves to higher levels.


See, the problem is that you're basically arguing that it's not as bad as I say, not that it's equal to or on par with the homeschooling experience. Personalized, one-on-one teaching with recognition of interests and learning styles is just about the definition of the optimal student experience. I have no doubt that schools have various programs that try to do this and that, but at the end of the day, you're still a student in a program. You still have one teacher trying to develop a lesson plan that will fit all the students under his/her wing.

Anyway. I'm not trying to say that public school is evil. They're doing their best, and there are some good teachers out there. They just can't hope to compare with a personal tutor who has a vested interest in their success.

Oh, last thing. Do students have the ability to drive themselves? Of course they do. That's not the point, though. Most do NOT drive themselves, in spite of their capability. They're kids, for heaven's sake. They don't want to do mooooooooooore homework, they want to go outside and play. They don't have the maturity to see 20 years into the future, and make decisions based on that. We have instructors for a reason, we don't just show the kid a library and tell him to go there six hours a day. Kids need motivation, and they aren't likely to find much at a public school. Most teachers are overworked and underpaid, and the social culture tells them it's "not cool" to care about one's work.

So I reiterate at the end: done right, a homeschool education is superior to a public school education.
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Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. - 02/03/2010 10:30:01 PM 1576 Views
Looks like a win-win situation to me. - 02/03/2010 11:01:22 PM 825 Views
Exactly - 03/03/2010 08:54:10 AM 784 Views
yah...but...but.... - 03/03/2010 01:13:31 PM 703 Views
Germany does have a history of getting rid of people it doesn't like *NM* - 03/03/2010 02:08:37 PM 498 Views
Yawn. At least beckstcw was joking when he invoked Godwin's law below. I hope. *NM* - 03/03/2010 02:10:18 PM 414 Views
That is a load of crap - 03/03/2010 02:53:02 PM 499 Views
uhm, how would Germany be offending the US? - 03/03/2010 02:56:52 PM 461 Views
I meant in general not in this specfic case - 03/03/2010 02:59:01 PM 408 Views
ahh mk *NM* - 03/03/2010 03:09:39 PM 445 Views
Um. - 03/03/2010 02:57:53 PM 345 Views
But our religious beliefs and belief in allowing religious freedom is fair game? - 03/03/2010 03:09:48 PM 352 Views
Yes? - 03/03/2010 03:40:30 PM 330 Views
If you made fun of the Native Americans I would be offended - 03/03/2010 03:46:05 PM 580 Views
It's actually quite the opposite. - 03/03/2010 03:57:19 PM 551 Views
and I would say they trying to fix intolerance with more intolerance - 03/03/2010 04:13:49 PM 337 Views
That was probably the stupidest thing I ever saw you write - 03/03/2010 03:28:39 PM 504 Views
You were the one who said good riddance - 03/03/2010 03:43:24 PM 360 Views
It's the usual story of American ideology and European pragmatism. - 03/03/2010 03:52:51 PM 519 Views
exactly. - 03/03/2010 03:56:11 PM 464 Views
Yes, because I won't miss them much. - 03/03/2010 03:55:29 PM 550 Views
well said - 03/03/2010 06:34:18 PM 541 Views
I think it's outrageous they'd fine people for that - 02/03/2010 11:07:57 PM 849 Views
Re: Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. - 03/03/2010 01:09:23 AM 974 Views
The socialization thing is mostly garbage - 03/03/2010 02:32:19 AM 846 Views
Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 02:41:14 AM 629 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 03:12:48 AM 617 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 03:34:33 AM 857 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 04:34:30 AM 850 Views
*shrugs* I said it was anecdotal. I have no hard figures, only experiences. - 03/03/2010 03:28:29 AM 606 Views
The operative word IS mostly - 03/03/2010 04:33:20 AM 800 Views
'Mostly' is all that matters - 03/03/2010 05:46:01 AM 845 Views
Uhm, socialization is incredibly important. - 03/03/2010 06:03:30 AM 809 Views
Yes, but you don't need to be taught to do it - 03/03/2010 06:47:06 AM 776 Views
cats aren't pack or herd animals - 03/03/2010 06:53:02 AM 757 Views
Something of an inside joke, sorry - 03/03/2010 07:41:50 AM 789 Views
I'm a homeschooling parent. - 03/03/2010 07:09:03 PM 780 Views
LOL, we seem well represented on this site - 03/03/2010 10:02:16 PM 888 Views
to jump on the "I was homeschooled and I have social skills" bandwagon... - 03/03/2010 06:27:05 AM 1184 Views
I think you may be missing some things - 03/03/2010 02:48:27 PM 896 Views
Re: I think you may be missing some things - 05/03/2010 12:16:37 AM 977 Views
I was homeschooled through grade 12, and my mom has done pro bono legal work for HSLDA. - 03/03/2010 02:20:38 AM 767 Views
I agree that it can be a very good option for some families - 03/03/2010 04:42:21 AM 886 Views
Re: I agree that it can be a very good option for some families - 03/03/2010 05:16:17 AM 725 Views
It depends on the public school. - 03/03/2010 05:23:09 AM 772 Views
Re: It depends on the public school. - 03/03/2010 05:45:07 AM 776 Views
"done right" is not always the case - 03/03/2010 05:58:26 AM 584 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM 916 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case - 03/03/2010 06:31:04 AM 826 Views
Well let's talk stats then. - 03/03/2010 06:55:14 AM 777 Views
please do not get me started on statistis. - 03/03/2010 07:11:19 AM 695 Views
Re: please do not get me started on statistis. - 03/03/2010 07:28:41 AM 745 Views
you missed my point. - 03/03/2010 01:10:26 PM 768 Views
You seem to be ignoring the matter of qualified teachers. - 03/03/2010 01:29:01 PM 732 Views
Your comments on public school educations have rather limited relevance to other countries, though. - 03/03/2010 09:53:30 AM 835 Views
+ ^ *NM* - 03/03/2010 01:11:04 PM 413 Views
While I support homeschooling, this is ridiculous. - 03/03/2010 04:48:40 AM 876 Views
Meh. - 03/03/2010 05:20:50 AM 819 Views
one year in a public school - 03/03/2010 05:32:13 AM 867 Views
Re: one year in a public school - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM 630 Views
No, I think i will nitpick. - 03/03/2010 06:11:44 AM 777 Views
This is getting off track and wasting time. - 03/03/2010 06:26:36 AM 803 Views
I'm not even certain it's 100% legal. - 03/03/2010 06:34:44 AM 587 Views
Yes, but we can't argue abuse of law. - 03/03/2010 06:51:23 AM 701 Views
I only used Mexicans because I'm from Arizona - 03/03/2010 07:04:29 AM 825 Views
I think I have the gist of it, - 03/03/2010 07:17:40 AM 712 Views
we haven't heard anything about their beliefs for me to think they're stupid. - 03/03/2010 02:54:25 PM 813 Views
According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung... - 03/03/2010 03:38:13 PM 724 Views
they don't have private christian schools in germany? - 03/03/2010 03:54:07 PM 691 Views
Not many, I dare say, but a few probably. *NM* - 03/03/2010 03:59:11 PM 439 Views
Say what? - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM 677 Views
Being able raise your kids by your beliefs is a frivolous matter? - 03/03/2010 03:21:23 PM 608 Views
Germany is not saying "you can't raise your kids by your beliefs" - 03/03/2010 03:31:01 PM 725 Views
It's not a recent law, and supposedly other German families have moved to France and the UK. - 03/03/2010 03:45:56 PM 820 Views
figured that. - 03/03/2010 03:58:57 PM 703 Views
I think that would fly in very face of political assylum - 03/03/2010 04:12:48 PM 773 Views
Yes, but they did not need political asylum. - 03/03/2010 04:28:16 PM 785 Views
how is that different then other political refuges we allow in? - 03/03/2010 04:55:14 PM 709 Views
I believe Legolas linked an article - 03/03/2010 04:57:09 PM 688 Views
I never saw the link - 03/03/2010 05:08:21 PM 589 Views
I'm not sure if they offered "formal" assurances or some such - 03/03/2010 05:21:54 PM 525 Views
Compared to not being able to feed your kids, yes, it is. - 03/03/2010 03:42:58 PM 604 Views
yes but we don't grant political assylum for being hungry - 03/03/2010 04:34:23 PM 683 Views
no we don't. - 03/03/2010 04:50:31 PM 560 Views
Do you have a better system? - 03/03/2010 05:05:42 PM 850 Views
Immigration processes could certainly use some reform - 03/03/2010 05:32:22 PM 661 Views
The system sucks, big government typically does not function well - 03/03/2010 05:48:25 PM 604 Views
we probably would all be better off... - 03/03/2010 07:27:28 PM 704 Views
good because Texas is taken - 03/03/2010 07:47:46 PM 722 Views
No, true, that was about the illegal immigrants. - 03/03/2010 09:53:18 PM 819 Views
Absolutely. - 03/03/2010 09:32:41 AM 791 Views
Doesn't matter why, but all parents should have the right to homeschool..... - 03/03/2010 04:48:57 AM 641 Views
there are far worse faults for a country to have *NM* - 03/03/2010 05:14:11 AM 420 Views
That whole thing is pretty silly - 03/03/2010 12:18:45 PM 865 Views
Re: socialising. - 03/03/2010 06:13:49 PM 822 Views
And then there are secular people like myself, who - 03/03/2010 06:44:13 PM 775 Views
I think I'd do that too, if I had the patience. - 03/03/2010 06:45:20 PM 640 Views
*agree* - 03/03/2010 07:41:56 PM 816 Views
That is the catagory I'm in. - 03/03/2010 07:46:12 PM 713 Views
Re: probably more likely - 04/03/2010 12:19:37 AM 832 Views
I am opposed to homeschooling but believe it should be a legal option. - 03/03/2010 02:32:34 PM 793 Views
I think you make a good point here - 03/03/2010 05:22:59 PM 810 Views
but...but...parents can't educate their children outside of school!! - 03/03/2010 05:40:30 PM 744 Views
I don't agree with them I just support their right to be wrong - 03/03/2010 06:04:11 PM 797 Views
The statistics are flawed, as I've noted above - 03/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 651 Views
Your views on this are not fact-driven - 03/03/2010 09:13:07 PM 836 Views
No, what you're saying is that my answer isn't driven by STATISTICS. - 03/03/2010 10:36:50 PM 762 Views
Granted, but there is no obvious source for bias - 03/03/2010 10:57:19 PM 692 Views
Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone - 03/03/2010 11:51:17 PM 600 Views
Re: Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone - 04/03/2010 12:16:29 AM 844 Views
You mean aside from the fact that you are already arguing about it? - 04/03/2010 12:14:02 AM 587 Views
Yes, I mentioned this in my reply to Tom, see below... - 04/03/2010 12:19:42 AM 730 Views
Fair enough - 04/03/2010 12:21:41 AM 638 Views
Re: Fair enough - 04/03/2010 12:37:06 AM 1068 Views
Re: Fair enough - 04/03/2010 09:39:38 AM 765 Views
Umm Massachusetts did have slavery in 1717 - 03/03/2010 02:55:25 PM 692 Views
Wow....so this got the board going. A question for everyone... - 03/03/2010 06:02:57 PM 879 Views
I think it is incumbent on the state to show that kids are being in some way harmed - 03/03/2010 06:07:13 PM 802 Views
Interesting - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM 900 Views
I never said there should be no limits on what parents should be able to do - 03/03/2010 06:38:53 PM 850 Views
What you said was: - 03/03/2010 06:51:26 PM 866 Views
I think it's safe to say teaching your kids to be little sociopaths qualifies as harm. - 03/03/2010 09:17:48 PM 620 Views
I think so too - 03/03/2010 10:46:41 PM 857 Views
Yes they do. Provided... - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 718 Views
One of the reasons... - 03/03/2010 07:40:54 PM 806 Views
that is fair enough - 03/03/2010 07:51:31 PM 685 Views
Hmmph. Inappropriate action on the part of the judge who allowed them to stay. - 03/03/2010 06:22:08 PM 750 Views
I agree completely with this. *NM* - 03/03/2010 06:42:01 PM 446 Views
agree. *NM* - 03/03/2010 06:49:01 PM 301 Views
You just skip the part where they have to show they are being persecuted - 03/03/2010 06:54:20 PM 867 Views
"Persecution" can be a matter of opinion, though. - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 845 Views
officers will track down kids ditching school here. - 03/03/2010 07:17:57 PM 886 Views
I'm not sure what they do in Canada - 03/03/2010 10:49:00 PM 793 Views
Agrees - 03/03/2010 06:54:59 PM 709 Views
New Cosmic Powers of the admins - 03/03/2010 06:52:57 PM 616 Views
It is the Power of the Ben™ *NM* - 03/03/2010 08:48:11 PM 431 Views
*walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 07:52:09 PM 822 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 09:25:46 PM 603 Views
What, no defending Germany today? *NM* - 03/03/2010 10:03:01 PM 437 Views
Even I need a day off *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:02:17 AM 425 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 10:33:24 PM 644 Views
Interesting - 03/03/2010 11:02:27 PM 817 Views
Am I recalling correctly that you know some German? - 03/03/2010 11:07:00 PM 771 Views
Sorry, nope. - 04/03/2010 09:14:49 PM 578 Views
Oh. Ah well. - 04/03/2010 09:23:11 PM 732 Views
One thing all of us homeschooled kids are missing is... - 04/03/2010 01:53:22 AM 689 Views

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