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Re: "done right" is not always the case Aemon Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM
anything "done right" is lovely. An in-school education "done right" is perfectly sufficient for the needs of most students.


Well, we're hung up on semantics, here. I'm really thinking more of the averages. When I say "done right" I mean "not the sort of homeschool parents the news channels love to show."

After all, as you said, most student don't really have the drive to learn more than necessary. Do you think putting them in an at-home individual setting will suddenly make them want to learn geometry? or make history more interesting to a kid who only wants to dig worms out of the soil? Yes, you do have more ability to focus on what the student is good at, but you still have to teach the "boring stuff".


No, you really don't. Or at least, homeschool can minimize boring stuff in a way that public school cannot. Like I said in another thread, I never took any formal spelling or grammar instruction. I had VERY little history. You really don't have to teach "the boring stuff." Consequently, homeschool students absolutely can be more motivated than traditional students. Most that I've known are. It's not just the subject choice, either. Parents are naturally good at motivating their kids. They know them best, after all. They know that asking the kid to write a five page report won't be as effective as having them watch an animated lecture online (or whatever).

Parents can motivate children by tailoring subjects, AND by tailoring their teaching style to methods that the student responds well to.

Not to mention that no parent (or both parents) can possibly answer every question a student has, or explain a concept they're not understanding, or provide them with the resources to research every question on their own. Home schooling is far from the perfect little wonderland of individual attention. Yes, done right and with the right resources and "teacher", it can be more effective than public schooling in general, but that does not mean it is better than usual schooling from a practical stand point. An actual school has a pool of resources and knowledge to readily draw upon in a single building. A home schooler being taught by your run-of-the-mill stay at home parent cannot equal that, and certainly not as easily.


A teacher can't either. As for the school's resources, it's basically a library, and some teachers. The teachers rarely know much more than their subject matter requires, and develop lesson plans by reading the textbook, and coming up with an outline. Parents can do the same thing. They can pick textbooks based on solid peer reviews and awards, too, rather than just going with whatever the school can pick up cheap. Up to a point, parents already know the majority of what they're teaching their kid, too. That point is usually high school, and most home-schooling parents do "outsource" a lot of the schooling. In high school, I took some community college courses, and some courses at a local co-op group, which brought in parents from their field to teach, to supplement what I did at home. At the high school level, you do lose some of the benefit of having a parent teach you, but you still have all the flexibility to tailor towards what interests you, and to learn in the manner you see fit, whether that be community college classes, job shadowing, whatever.
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Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. - 02/03/2010 10:30:01 PM 1620 Views
Looks like a win-win situation to me. - 02/03/2010 11:01:22 PM 864 Views
Exactly - 03/03/2010 08:54:10 AM 825 Views
yah...but...but.... - 03/03/2010 01:13:31 PM 744 Views
Germany does have a history of getting rid of people it doesn't like *NM* - 03/03/2010 02:08:37 PM 518 Views
Yawn. At least beckstcw was joking when he invoked Godwin's law below. I hope. *NM* - 03/03/2010 02:10:18 PM 437 Views
That is a load of crap - 03/03/2010 02:53:02 PM 521 Views
uhm, how would Germany be offending the US? - 03/03/2010 02:56:52 PM 489 Views
I meant in general not in this specfic case - 03/03/2010 02:59:01 PM 427 Views
ahh mk *NM* - 03/03/2010 03:09:39 PM 467 Views
Um. - 03/03/2010 02:57:53 PM 365 Views
But our religious beliefs and belief in allowing religious freedom is fair game? - 03/03/2010 03:09:48 PM 371 Views
Yes? - 03/03/2010 03:40:30 PM 347 Views
If you made fun of the Native Americans I would be offended - 03/03/2010 03:46:05 PM 598 Views
It's actually quite the opposite. - 03/03/2010 03:57:19 PM 574 Views
and I would say they trying to fix intolerance with more intolerance - 03/03/2010 04:13:49 PM 359 Views
That was probably the stupidest thing I ever saw you write - 03/03/2010 03:28:39 PM 530 Views
You were the one who said good riddance - 03/03/2010 03:43:24 PM 379 Views
It's the usual story of American ideology and European pragmatism. - 03/03/2010 03:52:51 PM 537 Views
exactly. - 03/03/2010 03:56:11 PM 486 Views
Yes, because I won't miss them much. - 03/03/2010 03:55:29 PM 571 Views
well said - 03/03/2010 06:34:18 PM 565 Views
I think it's outrageous they'd fine people for that - 02/03/2010 11:07:57 PM 888 Views
Re: Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. - 03/03/2010 01:09:23 AM 1017 Views
The socialization thing is mostly garbage - 03/03/2010 02:32:19 AM 878 Views
Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 02:41:14 AM 676 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 03:12:48 AM 651 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 03:34:33 AM 902 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 04:34:30 AM 896 Views
*shrugs* I said it was anecdotal. I have no hard figures, only experiences. - 03/03/2010 03:28:29 AM 645 Views
The operative word IS mostly - 03/03/2010 04:33:20 AM 845 Views
'Mostly' is all that matters - 03/03/2010 05:46:01 AM 877 Views
Uhm, socialization is incredibly important. - 03/03/2010 06:03:30 AM 853 Views
Yes, but you don't need to be taught to do it - 03/03/2010 06:47:06 AM 817 Views
cats aren't pack or herd animals - 03/03/2010 06:53:02 AM 813 Views
Something of an inside joke, sorry - 03/03/2010 07:41:50 AM 830 Views
I'm a homeschooling parent. - 03/03/2010 07:09:03 PM 822 Views
LOL, we seem well represented on this site - 03/03/2010 10:02:16 PM 927 Views
to jump on the "I was homeschooled and I have social skills" bandwagon... - 03/03/2010 06:27:05 AM 1238 Views
I think you may be missing some things - 03/03/2010 02:48:27 PM 933 Views
Re: I think you may be missing some things - 05/03/2010 12:16:37 AM 1017 Views
I was homeschooled through grade 12, and my mom has done pro bono legal work for HSLDA. - 03/03/2010 02:20:38 AM 804 Views
I agree that it can be a very good option for some families - 03/03/2010 04:42:21 AM 927 Views
Re: I agree that it can be a very good option for some families - 03/03/2010 05:16:17 AM 764 Views
It depends on the public school. - 03/03/2010 05:23:09 AM 809 Views
Re: It depends on the public school. - 03/03/2010 05:45:07 AM 819 Views
"done right" is not always the case - 03/03/2010 05:58:26 AM 628 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM 956 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case - 03/03/2010 06:31:04 AM 872 Views
Well let's talk stats then. - 03/03/2010 06:55:14 AM 814 Views
please do not get me started on statistis. - 03/03/2010 07:11:19 AM 730 Views
Re: please do not get me started on statistis. - 03/03/2010 07:28:41 AM 788 Views
you missed my point. - 03/03/2010 01:10:26 PM 810 Views
You seem to be ignoring the matter of qualified teachers. - 03/03/2010 01:29:01 PM 771 Views
Your comments on public school educations have rather limited relevance to other countries, though. - 03/03/2010 09:53:30 AM 882 Views
+ ^ *NM* - 03/03/2010 01:11:04 PM 438 Views
While I support homeschooling, this is ridiculous. - 03/03/2010 04:48:40 AM 929 Views
Meh. - 03/03/2010 05:20:50 AM 863 Views
one year in a public school - 03/03/2010 05:32:13 AM 916 Views
Re: one year in a public school - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM 671 Views
No, I think i will nitpick. - 03/03/2010 06:11:44 AM 820 Views
This is getting off track and wasting time. - 03/03/2010 06:26:36 AM 843 Views
I'm not even certain it's 100% legal. - 03/03/2010 06:34:44 AM 620 Views
Yes, but we can't argue abuse of law. - 03/03/2010 06:51:23 AM 743 Views
I only used Mexicans because I'm from Arizona - 03/03/2010 07:04:29 AM 877 Views
I think I have the gist of it, - 03/03/2010 07:17:40 AM 753 Views
we haven't heard anything about their beliefs for me to think they're stupid. - 03/03/2010 02:54:25 PM 860 Views
According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung... - 03/03/2010 03:38:13 PM 762 Views
they don't have private christian schools in germany? - 03/03/2010 03:54:07 PM 729 Views
Not many, I dare say, but a few probably. *NM* - 03/03/2010 03:59:11 PM 462 Views
Say what? - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM 723 Views
Being able raise your kids by your beliefs is a frivolous matter? - 03/03/2010 03:21:23 PM 660 Views
Germany is not saying "you can't raise your kids by your beliefs" - 03/03/2010 03:31:01 PM 769 Views
It's not a recent law, and supposedly other German families have moved to France and the UK. - 03/03/2010 03:45:56 PM 858 Views
figured that. - 03/03/2010 03:58:57 PM 746 Views
I think that would fly in very face of political assylum - 03/03/2010 04:12:48 PM 816 Views
Yes, but they did not need political asylum. - 03/03/2010 04:28:16 PM 821 Views
how is that different then other political refuges we allow in? - 03/03/2010 04:55:14 PM 742 Views
I believe Legolas linked an article - 03/03/2010 04:57:09 PM 725 Views
I never saw the link - 03/03/2010 05:08:21 PM 625 Views
I'm not sure if they offered "formal" assurances or some such - 03/03/2010 05:21:54 PM 561 Views
Compared to not being able to feed your kids, yes, it is. - 03/03/2010 03:42:58 PM 650 Views
yes but we don't grant political assylum for being hungry - 03/03/2010 04:34:23 PM 733 Views
no we don't. - 03/03/2010 04:50:31 PM 597 Views
Do you have a better system? - 03/03/2010 05:05:42 PM 890 Views
Immigration processes could certainly use some reform - 03/03/2010 05:32:22 PM 694 Views
The system sucks, big government typically does not function well - 03/03/2010 05:48:25 PM 646 Views
we probably would all be better off... - 03/03/2010 07:27:28 PM 740 Views
good because Texas is taken - 03/03/2010 07:47:46 PM 766 Views
No, true, that was about the illegal immigrants. - 03/03/2010 09:53:18 PM 860 Views
Absolutely. - 03/03/2010 09:32:41 AM 828 Views
Doesn't matter why, but all parents should have the right to homeschool..... - 03/03/2010 04:48:57 AM 687 Views
there are far worse faults for a country to have *NM* - 03/03/2010 05:14:11 AM 441 Views
That whole thing is pretty silly - 03/03/2010 12:18:45 PM 908 Views
Re: socialising. - 03/03/2010 06:13:49 PM 863 Views
And then there are secular people like myself, who - 03/03/2010 06:44:13 PM 820 Views
I think I'd do that too, if I had the patience. - 03/03/2010 06:45:20 PM 688 Views
*agree* - 03/03/2010 07:41:56 PM 857 Views
That is the catagory I'm in. - 03/03/2010 07:46:12 PM 749 Views
Re: probably more likely - 04/03/2010 12:19:37 AM 870 Views
I am opposed to homeschooling but believe it should be a legal option. - 03/03/2010 02:32:34 PM 836 Views
I think you make a good point here - 03/03/2010 05:22:59 PM 848 Views
but...but...parents can't educate their children outside of school!! - 03/03/2010 05:40:30 PM 775 Views
I don't agree with them I just support their right to be wrong - 03/03/2010 06:04:11 PM 839 Views
The statistics are flawed, as I've noted above - 03/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 691 Views
Your views on this are not fact-driven - 03/03/2010 09:13:07 PM 872 Views
No, what you're saying is that my answer isn't driven by STATISTICS. - 03/03/2010 10:36:50 PM 806 Views
Granted, but there is no obvious source for bias - 03/03/2010 10:57:19 PM 738 Views
Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone - 03/03/2010 11:51:17 PM 649 Views
Re: Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone - 04/03/2010 12:16:29 AM 887 Views
You mean aside from the fact that you are already arguing about it? - 04/03/2010 12:14:02 AM 624 Views
Yes, I mentioned this in my reply to Tom, see below... - 04/03/2010 12:19:42 AM 767 Views
Fair enough - 04/03/2010 12:21:41 AM 672 Views
Re: Fair enough - 04/03/2010 12:37:06 AM 1111 Views
Re: Fair enough - 04/03/2010 09:39:38 AM 800 Views
Umm Massachusetts did have slavery in 1717 - 03/03/2010 02:55:25 PM 733 Views
Wow....so this got the board going. A question for everyone... - 03/03/2010 06:02:57 PM 912 Views
I think it is incumbent on the state to show that kids are being in some way harmed - 03/03/2010 06:07:13 PM 852 Views
Interesting - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM 941 Views
I never said there should be no limits on what parents should be able to do - 03/03/2010 06:38:53 PM 888 Views
What you said was: - 03/03/2010 06:51:26 PM 904 Views
I think it's safe to say teaching your kids to be little sociopaths qualifies as harm. - 03/03/2010 09:17:48 PM 661 Views
I think so too - 03/03/2010 10:46:41 PM 897 Views
Yes they do. Provided... - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 756 Views
One of the reasons... - 03/03/2010 07:40:54 PM 844 Views
that is fair enough - 03/03/2010 07:51:31 PM 722 Views
Hmmph. Inappropriate action on the part of the judge who allowed them to stay. - 03/03/2010 06:22:08 PM 787 Views
I agree completely with this. *NM* - 03/03/2010 06:42:01 PM 492 Views
agree. *NM* - 03/03/2010 06:49:01 PM 318 Views
You just skip the part where they have to show they are being persecuted - 03/03/2010 06:54:20 PM 910 Views
"Persecution" can be a matter of opinion, though. - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 881 Views
officers will track down kids ditching school here. - 03/03/2010 07:17:57 PM 924 Views
I'm not sure what they do in Canada - 03/03/2010 10:49:00 PM 869 Views
Agrees - 03/03/2010 06:54:59 PM 750 Views
New Cosmic Powers of the admins - 03/03/2010 06:52:57 PM 655 Views
It is the Power of the Ben™ *NM* - 03/03/2010 08:48:11 PM 454 Views
*walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 07:52:09 PM 865 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 09:25:46 PM 641 Views
What, no defending Germany today? *NM* - 03/03/2010 10:03:01 PM 459 Views
Even I need a day off *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:02:17 AM 447 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 10:33:24 PM 681 Views
Interesting - 03/03/2010 11:02:27 PM 853 Views
Am I recalling correctly that you know some German? - 03/03/2010 11:07:00 PM 813 Views
Sorry, nope. - 04/03/2010 09:14:49 PM 616 Views
Oh. Ah well. - 04/03/2010 09:23:11 PM 769 Views
One thing all of us homeschooled kids are missing is... - 04/03/2010 01:53:22 AM 740 Views

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