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Re: "done right" is not always the case Aemon Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM
anything "done right" is lovely. An in-school education "done right" is perfectly sufficient for the needs of most students.


Well, we're hung up on semantics, here. I'm really thinking more of the averages. When I say "done right" I mean "not the sort of homeschool parents the news channels love to show."

After all, as you said, most student don't really have the drive to learn more than necessary. Do you think putting them in an at-home individual setting will suddenly make them want to learn geometry? or make history more interesting to a kid who only wants to dig worms out of the soil? Yes, you do have more ability to focus on what the student is good at, but you still have to teach the "boring stuff".


No, you really don't. Or at least, homeschool can minimize boring stuff in a way that public school cannot. Like I said in another thread, I never took any formal spelling or grammar instruction. I had VERY little history. You really don't have to teach "the boring stuff." Consequently, homeschool students absolutely can be more motivated than traditional students. Most that I've known are. It's not just the subject choice, either. Parents are naturally good at motivating their kids. They know them best, after all. They know that asking the kid to write a five page report won't be as effective as having them watch an animated lecture online (or whatever).

Parents can motivate children by tailoring subjects, AND by tailoring their teaching style to methods that the student responds well to.

Not to mention that no parent (or both parents) can possibly answer every question a student has, or explain a concept they're not understanding, or provide them with the resources to research every question on their own. Home schooling is far from the perfect little wonderland of individual attention. Yes, done right and with the right resources and "teacher", it can be more effective than public schooling in general, but that does not mean it is better than usual schooling from a practical stand point. An actual school has a pool of resources and knowledge to readily draw upon in a single building. A home schooler being taught by your run-of-the-mill stay at home parent cannot equal that, and certainly not as easily.


A teacher can't either. As for the school's resources, it's basically a library, and some teachers. The teachers rarely know much more than their subject matter requires, and develop lesson plans by reading the textbook, and coming up with an outline. Parents can do the same thing. They can pick textbooks based on solid peer reviews and awards, too, rather than just going with whatever the school can pick up cheap. Up to a point, parents already know the majority of what they're teaching their kid, too. That point is usually high school, and most home-schooling parents do "outsource" a lot of the schooling. In high school, I took some community college courses, and some courses at a local co-op group, which brought in parents from their field to teach, to supplement what I did at home. At the high school level, you do lose some of the benefit of having a parent teach you, but you still have all the flexibility to tailor towards what interests you, and to learn in the manner you see fit, whether that be community college classes, job shadowing, whatever.
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Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. - 02/03/2010 10:30:01 PM 1467 Views
Looks like a win-win situation to me. - 02/03/2010 11:01:22 PM 747 Views
Exactly - 03/03/2010 08:54:10 AM 702 Views
yah...but...but.... - 03/03/2010 01:13:31 PM 613 Views
Germany does have a history of getting rid of people it doesn't like *NM* - 03/03/2010 02:08:37 PM 464 Views
Yawn. At least beckstcw was joking when he invoked Godwin's law below. I hope. *NM* - 03/03/2010 02:10:18 PM 382 Views
That is a load of crap - 03/03/2010 02:53:02 PM 465 Views
uhm, how would Germany be offending the US? - 03/03/2010 02:56:52 PM 427 Views
I meant in general not in this specfic case - 03/03/2010 02:59:01 PM 377 Views
ahh mk *NM* - 03/03/2010 03:09:39 PM 410 Views
Um. - 03/03/2010 02:57:53 PM 309 Views
But our religious beliefs and belief in allowing religious freedom is fair game? - 03/03/2010 03:09:48 PM 320 Views
Yes? - 03/03/2010 03:40:30 PM 297 Views
If you made fun of the Native Americans I would be offended - 03/03/2010 03:46:05 PM 541 Views
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That was probably the stupidest thing I ever saw you write - 03/03/2010 03:28:39 PM 471 Views
You were the one who said good riddance - 03/03/2010 03:43:24 PM 327 Views
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exactly. - 03/03/2010 03:56:11 PM 427 Views
Yes, because I won't miss them much. - 03/03/2010 03:55:29 PM 515 Views
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I think it's outrageous they'd fine people for that - 02/03/2010 11:07:57 PM 755 Views
Re: Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. - 03/03/2010 01:09:23 AM 882 Views
The socialization thing is mostly garbage - 03/03/2010 02:32:19 AM 757 Views
Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 02:41:14 AM 546 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 03:12:48 AM 527 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 03:34:33 AM 776 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. - 03/03/2010 04:34:30 AM 765 Views
*shrugs* I said it was anecdotal. I have no hard figures, only experiences. - 03/03/2010 03:28:29 AM 521 Views
The operative word IS mostly - 03/03/2010 04:33:20 AM 721 Views
'Mostly' is all that matters - 03/03/2010 05:46:01 AM 760 Views
Uhm, socialization is incredibly important. - 03/03/2010 06:03:30 AM 729 Views
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cats aren't pack or herd animals - 03/03/2010 06:53:02 AM 667 Views
Something of an inside joke, sorry - 03/03/2010 07:41:50 AM 709 Views
I'm a homeschooling parent. - 03/03/2010 07:09:03 PM 694 Views
LOL, we seem well represented on this site - 03/03/2010 10:02:16 PM 774 Views
to jump on the "I was homeschooled and I have social skills" bandwagon... - 03/03/2010 06:27:05 AM 1079 Views
I think you may be missing some things - 03/03/2010 02:48:27 PM 816 Views
Re: I think you may be missing some things - 05/03/2010 12:16:37 AM 885 Views
I was homeschooled through grade 12, and my mom has done pro bono legal work for HSLDA. - 03/03/2010 02:20:38 AM 670 Views
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Re: I agree that it can be a very good option for some families - 03/03/2010 05:16:17 AM 639 Views
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Re: It depends on the public school. - 03/03/2010 05:45:07 AM 677 Views
"done right" is not always the case - 03/03/2010 05:58:26 AM 506 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM 825 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case - 03/03/2010 06:31:04 AM 737 Views
Well let's talk stats then. - 03/03/2010 06:55:14 AM 698 Views
please do not get me started on statistis. - 03/03/2010 07:11:19 AM 616 Views
Re: please do not get me started on statistis. - 03/03/2010 07:28:41 AM 669 Views
you missed my point. - 03/03/2010 01:10:26 PM 688 Views
You seem to be ignoring the matter of qualified teachers. - 03/03/2010 01:29:01 PM 652 Views
Your comments on public school educations have rather limited relevance to other countries, though. - 03/03/2010 09:53:30 AM 748 Views
+ ^ *NM* - 03/03/2010 01:11:04 PM 381 Views
While I support homeschooling, this is ridiculous. - 03/03/2010 04:48:40 AM 803 Views
Meh. - 03/03/2010 05:20:50 AM 729 Views
one year in a public school - 03/03/2010 05:32:13 AM 777 Views
Re: one year in a public school - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM 550 Views
No, I think i will nitpick. - 03/03/2010 06:11:44 AM 679 Views
This is getting off track and wasting time. - 03/03/2010 06:26:36 AM 716 Views
I'm not even certain it's 100% legal. - 03/03/2010 06:34:44 AM 502 Views
Yes, but we can't argue abuse of law. - 03/03/2010 06:51:23 AM 613 Views
I only used Mexicans because I'm from Arizona - 03/03/2010 07:04:29 AM 740 Views
I think I have the gist of it, - 03/03/2010 07:17:40 AM 633 Views
we haven't heard anything about their beliefs for me to think they're stupid. - 03/03/2010 02:54:25 PM 721 Views
According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung... - 03/03/2010 03:38:13 PM 642 Views
they don't have private christian schools in germany? - 03/03/2010 03:54:07 PM 600 Views
Not many, I dare say, but a few probably. *NM* - 03/03/2010 03:59:11 PM 406 Views
Say what? - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM 592 Views
Being able raise your kids by your beliefs is a frivolous matter? - 03/03/2010 03:21:23 PM 525 Views
Germany is not saying "you can't raise your kids by your beliefs" - 03/03/2010 03:31:01 PM 648 Views
It's not a recent law, and supposedly other German families have moved to France and the UK. - 03/03/2010 03:45:56 PM 742 Views
figured that. - 03/03/2010 03:58:57 PM 627 Views
I think that would fly in very face of political assylum - 03/03/2010 04:12:48 PM 692 Views
Yes, but they did not need political asylum. - 03/03/2010 04:28:16 PM 705 Views
how is that different then other political refuges we allow in? - 03/03/2010 04:55:14 PM 621 Views
I believe Legolas linked an article - 03/03/2010 04:57:09 PM 596 Views
I never saw the link - 03/03/2010 05:08:21 PM 514 Views
I'm not sure if they offered "formal" assurances or some such - 03/03/2010 05:21:54 PM 432 Views
Compared to not being able to feed your kids, yes, it is. - 03/03/2010 03:42:58 PM 521 Views
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no we don't. - 03/03/2010 04:50:31 PM 478 Views
Do you have a better system? - 03/03/2010 05:05:42 PM 769 Views
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The system sucks, big government typically does not function well - 03/03/2010 05:48:25 PM 508 Views
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good because Texas is taken - 03/03/2010 07:47:46 PM 631 Views
No, true, that was about the illegal immigrants. - 03/03/2010 09:53:18 PM 734 Views
Absolutely. - 03/03/2010 09:32:41 AM 711 Views
Doesn't matter why, but all parents should have the right to homeschool..... - 03/03/2010 04:48:57 AM 547 Views
there are far worse faults for a country to have *NM* - 03/03/2010 05:14:11 AM 379 Views
That whole thing is pretty silly - 03/03/2010 12:18:45 PM 783 Views
Re: socialising. - 03/03/2010 06:13:49 PM 741 Views
And then there are secular people like myself, who - 03/03/2010 06:44:13 PM 687 Views
I think I'd do that too, if I had the patience. - 03/03/2010 06:45:20 PM 560 Views
*agree* - 03/03/2010 07:41:56 PM 738 Views
That is the catagory I'm in. - 03/03/2010 07:46:12 PM 600 Views
Re: probably more likely - 04/03/2010 12:19:37 AM 749 Views
I am opposed to homeschooling but believe it should be a legal option. - 03/03/2010 02:32:34 PM 690 Views
I think you make a good point here - 03/03/2010 05:22:59 PM 732 Views
but...but...parents can't educate their children outside of school!! - 03/03/2010 05:40:30 PM 658 Views
I don't agree with them I just support their right to be wrong - 03/03/2010 06:04:11 PM 706 Views
The statistics are flawed, as I've noted above - 03/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 570 Views
Your views on this are not fact-driven - 03/03/2010 09:13:07 PM 748 Views
No, what you're saying is that my answer isn't driven by STATISTICS. - 03/03/2010 10:36:50 PM 673 Views
Granted, but there is no obvious source for bias - 03/03/2010 10:57:19 PM 605 Views
Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone - 03/03/2010 11:51:17 PM 517 Views
Re: Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone - 04/03/2010 12:16:29 AM 753 Views
You mean aside from the fact that you are already arguing about it? - 04/03/2010 12:14:02 AM 508 Views
Yes, I mentioned this in my reply to Tom, see below... - 04/03/2010 12:19:42 AM 647 Views
Fair enough - 04/03/2010 12:21:41 AM 562 Views
Re: Fair enough - 04/03/2010 12:37:06 AM 971 Views
Re: Fair enough - 04/03/2010 09:39:38 AM 677 Views
Umm Massachusetts did have slavery in 1717 - 03/03/2010 02:55:25 PM 610 Views
Wow....so this got the board going. A question for everyone... - 03/03/2010 06:02:57 PM 789 Views
I think it is incumbent on the state to show that kids are being in some way harmed - 03/03/2010 06:07:13 PM 711 Views
Interesting - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM 814 Views
I never said there should be no limits on what parents should be able to do - 03/03/2010 06:38:53 PM 764 Views
What you said was: - 03/03/2010 06:51:26 PM 750 Views
I think it's safe to say teaching your kids to be little sociopaths qualifies as harm. - 03/03/2010 09:17:48 PM 532 Views
I think so too - 03/03/2010 10:46:41 PM 763 Views
Yes they do. Provided... - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 636 Views
One of the reasons... - 03/03/2010 07:40:54 PM 714 Views
that is fair enough - 03/03/2010 07:51:31 PM 602 Views
Hmmph. Inappropriate action on the part of the judge who allowed them to stay. - 03/03/2010 06:22:08 PM 656 Views
I agree completely with this. *NM* - 03/03/2010 06:42:01 PM 405 Views
agree. *NM* - 03/03/2010 06:49:01 PM 268 Views
You just skip the part where they have to show they are being persecuted - 03/03/2010 06:54:20 PM 780 Views
"Persecution" can be a matter of opinion, though. - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 749 Views
officers will track down kids ditching school here. - 03/03/2010 07:17:57 PM 801 Views
I'm not sure what they do in Canada - 03/03/2010 10:49:00 PM 650 Views
Agrees - 03/03/2010 06:54:59 PM 621 Views
New Cosmic Powers of the admins - 03/03/2010 06:52:57 PM 539 Views
It is the Power of the Ben™ *NM* - 03/03/2010 08:48:11 PM 395 Views
*walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 07:52:09 PM 730 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 09:25:46 PM 500 Views
What, no defending Germany today? *NM* - 03/03/2010 10:03:01 PM 404 Views
Even I need a day off *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:02:17 AM 390 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* - 03/03/2010 10:33:24 PM 552 Views
Interesting - 03/03/2010 11:02:27 PM 730 Views
Am I recalling correctly that you know some German? - 03/03/2010 11:07:00 PM 681 Views
Sorry, nope. - 04/03/2010 09:14:49 PM 481 Views
Oh. Ah well. - 04/03/2010 09:23:11 PM 650 Views
One thing all of us homeschooled kids are missing is... - 04/03/2010 01:53:22 AM 611 Views

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