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Say what? Legolas Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM
Most of the Mexican immigrants I've met are here illegally. These parents applied (legally) and were granted entry (legally). I have far more respect for them than I'll ever have for Jose, who shows up, doesn't pay taxes, and uses the local emergency room as his primary care (yes I'm well aware that doesn't apply to all illegal immigrants, so don't nitpick this).

That's... astonishing. Wow. So you have more respect for people who waste everyone's time and resources on such a frivolous matter, and allow an American advocacy group to arrange entry rights in the US for them on such flimsy grounds, than for immigrants who come to the US to work hard and build up a better life for themselves and their family? That's classy. Really.
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Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. Cannoli - 02/03/2010 10:30:01 PM 1525 Views
Looks like a win-win situation to me. Legolas - 02/03/2010 11:01:22 PM 794 Views
Exactly ironclad - 03/03/2010 08:54:10 AM 749 Views
yah...but...but.... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:13:31 PM 665 Views
Germany does have a history of getting rid of people it doesn't like *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:08:37 PM 485 Views
Yawn. At least beckstcw was joking when he invoked Godwin's law below. I hope. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:10:18 PM 400 Views
That is a load of crap random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:53:02 PM 483 Views
uhm, how would Germany be offending the US? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:56:52 PM 446 Views
I meant in general not in this specfic case random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:59:01 PM 397 Views
ahh mk *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:09:39 PM 429 Views
Um. Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:57:53 PM 331 Views
But our religious beliefs and belief in allowing religious freedom is fair game? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:09:48 PM 337 Views
Yes? Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:40:30 PM 315 Views
If you made fun of the Native Americans I would be offended random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:46:05 PM 564 Views
It's actually quite the opposite. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:57:19 PM 538 Views
and I would say they trying to fix intolerance with more intolerance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:13:49 PM 321 Views
That was probably the stupidest thing I ever saw you write ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:28:39 PM 491 Views
You were the one who said good riddance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:43:24 PM 347 Views
It's the usual story of American ideology and European pragmatism. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:52:51 PM 507 Views
exactly. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:56:11 PM 447 Views
Yes, because I won't miss them much. ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:55:29 PM 535 Views
well said Aisha - 03/03/2010 06:34:18 PM 524 Views
This is getting a bit off the discussion. Please keep it civil, everyone. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:55:11 PM 422 Views
I think it's outrageous they'd fine people for that Isaac - 02/03/2010 11:07:57 PM 809 Views
Re: Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 01:09:23 AM 935 Views
The socialization thing is mostly garbage Isaac - 03/03/2010 02:32:19 AM 800 Views
Yep, exactly. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:41:14 AM 596 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 03:12:48 AM 575 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:34:33 AM 826 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 04:34:30 AM 811 Views
*shrugs* I said it was anecdotal. I have no hard figures, only experiences. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:28:29 AM 569 Views
The operative word IS mostly LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:33:20 AM 765 Views
'Mostly' is all that matters Isaac - 03/03/2010 05:46:01 AM 805 Views
Uhm, socialization is incredibly important. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:03:30 AM 771 Views
Yes, but you don't need to be taught to do it Isaac - 03/03/2010 06:47:06 AM 742 Views
cats aren't pack or herd animals LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:53:02 AM 722 Views
Something of an inside joke, sorry Isaac - 03/03/2010 07:41:50 AM 757 Views
us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:05:27 PM 570 Views
Re: us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:19:21 PM 640 Views
I would agree that households with two working parnets shouldn't home school *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:22:51 PM 404 Views
I'm a homeschooling parent. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:09:03 PM 748 Views
LOL, we seem well represented on this site Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:02:16 PM 840 Views
to jump on the "I was homeschooled and I have social skills" bandwagon... Mat Maniac - 03/03/2010 06:27:05 AM 1146 Views
I think you may be missing some things random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:48:27 PM 859 Views
Re: I think you may be missing some things everynametaken - 05/03/2010 12:16:37 AM 938 Views
I was homeschooled through grade 12, and my mom has done pro bono legal work for HSLDA. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:20:38 AM 729 Views
I agree that it can be a very good option for some families LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:42:21 AM 846 Views
Re: I agree that it can be a very good option for some families Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:16:17 AM 689 Views
It depends on the public school. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:23:09 AM 734 Views
Re: It depends on the public school. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:45:07 AM 736 Views
"done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:58:26 AM 551 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM 884 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:31:04 AM 792 Views
Well let's talk stats then. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:55:14 AM 744 Views
please do not get me started on statistis. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:11:19 AM 658 Views
Re: please do not get me started on statistis. Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:28:41 AM 714 Views
you missed my point. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:10:26 PM 732 Views
You seem to be ignoring the matter of qualified teachers. Legolas - 03/03/2010 01:29:01 PM 695 Views
Your comments on public school educations have rather limited relevance to other countries, though. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:30 AM 793 Views
+ ^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:11:04 PM 401 Views
While I support homeschooling, this is ridiculous. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:48:40 AM 847 Views
Meh. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:20:50 AM 784 Views
one year in a public school LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:13 AM 831 Views
Re: one year in a public school Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM 594 Views
No, I think i will nitpick. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:11:44 AM 728 Views
This is getting off track and wasting time. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:26:36 AM 763 Views
I'm not even certain it's 100% legal. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:34:44 AM 548 Views
Yes, but we can't argue abuse of law. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:51:23 AM 670 Views
I only used Mexicans because I'm from Arizona LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:29 AM 788 Views
I think I have the gist of it, Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:17:40 AM 680 Views
we haven't heard anything about their beliefs for me to think they're stupid. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:54:25 PM 772 Views
According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung... Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:38:13 PM 691 Views
they don't have private christian schools in germany? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:54:07 PM 650 Views
Not many, I dare say, but a few probably. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:59:11 PM 424 Views
Say what? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM 639 Views
Being able raise your kids by your beliefs is a frivolous matter? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:21:23 PM 572 Views
Germany is not saying "you can't raise your kids by your beliefs" LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:31:01 PM 693 Views
It's not a recent law, and supposedly other German families have moved to France and the UK. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:45:56 PM 786 Views
figured that. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:58:57 PM 670 Views
I think that would fly in very face of political assylum random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:12:48 PM 742 Views
Yes, but they did not need political asylum. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:28:16 PM 757 Views
how is that different then other political refuges we allow in? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:55:14 PM 676 Views
I believe Legolas linked an article LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:57:09 PM 641 Views
I never saw the link random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:08:21 PM 558 Views
I'm not sure if they offered "formal" assurances or some such LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:21:54 PM 480 Views
that was a mayor, I doubt he would have the final word on the issue random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:46:22 PM 539 Views
You don't have a law about removing children from parental custody? At all? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:43:15 PM 689 Views
They can take your kids from for not sending them to school but not for home schooling them random thoughts - 03/03/2010 10:35:48 PM 696 Views
Compared to not being able to feed your kids, yes, it is. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:42:58 PM 571 Views
yes but we don't grant political assylum for being hungry random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:34:23 PM 651 Views
no we don't. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:50:31 PM 528 Views
Do you have a better system? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:05:42 PM 816 Views
Immigration processes could certainly use some reform LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:22 PM 619 Views
The system sucks, big government typically does not function well random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:48:25 PM 563 Views
we probably would all be better off... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:27:28 PM 672 Views
good because Texas is taken random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:47:46 PM 677 Views
No, true, that was about the illegal immigrants. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:18 PM 776 Views
Oh, and did you miss the part where the federal government is appealing the decision? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:40:42 AM 406 Views
Absolutely. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:32:41 AM 756 Views
I would consider the threat of losing my children because of my beliefs to be a real threat *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:54:08 PM 446 Views
Doesn't matter why, but all parents should have the right to homeschool..... trzaska2000 - 03/03/2010 04:48:57 AM 601 Views
there are far worse faults for a country to have *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:14:11 AM 397 Views
That whole thing is pretty silly snoopcester - 03/03/2010 12:18:45 PM 830 Views
Re: socialising. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:13:49 PM 789 Views
And then there are secular people like myself, who The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:44:13 PM 735 Views
I think I'd do that too, if I had the patience. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:45:20 PM 606 Views
*agree* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:41:56 PM 787 Views
That is the catagory I'm in. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:46:12 PM 669 Views
Re: probably more likely snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:19:37 AM 797 Views
I am opposed to homeschooling but believe it should be a legal option. Tom - 03/03/2010 02:32:34 PM 762 Views
I think you make a good point here random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:22:59 PM 777 Views
but...but...parents can't educate their children outside of school!! LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:40:30 PM 706 Views
I don't agree with them I just support their right to be wrong random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:04:11 PM 751 Views
The statistics are flawed, as I've noted above LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 613 Views
they tend to beat private schools as well would should flatten out the demographics random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:53:38 PM 702 Views
Your views on this are not fact-driven Isaac - 03/03/2010 09:13:07 PM 794 Views
No, what you're saying is that my answer isn't driven by STATISTICS. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:36:50 PM 723 Views
Granted, but there is no obvious source for bias Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:57:19 PM 653 Views
Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Tom - 03/03/2010 11:51:17 PM 567 Views
Re: Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:16:29 AM 802 Views
You mean aside from the fact that you are already arguing about it? snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:14:02 AM 553 Views
Yes, I mentioned this in my reply to Tom, see below... Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:19:42 AM 690 Views
Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:21:41 AM 603 Views
Re: Fair enough Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:37:06 AM 1023 Views
Re: Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 09:39:38 AM 725 Views
And the wikipedia article you pointed me to had a different study that contradicts your point. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:42:54 PM 665 Views
Religious or *moral* instruction Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:49:48 PM 743 Views
I haven't really "met" you the way I meant it in that reply Tom - 03/03/2010 11:48:11 PM 546 Views
Granted but for our purposes I think people on this site would qualify Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:05:03 AM 710 Views
Umm Massachusetts did have slavery in 1717 random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:55:25 PM 655 Views
His argument on the law of Germany is a bad one generally, though, not just for that reason. Tom - 03/03/2010 03:31:00 PM 572 Views
Wow....so this got the board going. A question for everyone... Jeordam - 03/03/2010 06:02:57 PM 840 Views
I think it is incumbent on the state to show that kids are being in some way harmed random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:07:13 PM 763 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM 861 Views
I never said there should be no limits on what parents should be able to do random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:38:53 PM 809 Views
What you said was: SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:51:26 PM 820 Views
I think it's safe to say teaching your kids to be little sociopaths qualifies as harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 09:17:48 PM 584 Views
I think so too SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:46:41 PM 811 Views
I think the problem there was it was seen as inherently political, that, and showing harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 11:44:21 PM 633 Views
Yes they do. Provided... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 679 Views
One of the reasons... Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:40:54 PM 768 Views
that is fair enough LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:51:31 PM 648 Views
There is a reason why education until 18 (or 16, depending) is not merely a right, but a duty. Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:00:53 PM 751 Views
Hmmph. Inappropriate action on the part of the judge who allowed them to stay. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:22:08 PM 707 Views
I agree completely with this. *NM* The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:42:01 PM 430 Views
agree. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:49:01 PM 285 Views
You just skip the part where they have to show they are being persecuted random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:54:20 PM 825 Views
"Persecution" can be a matter of opinion, though. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 810 Views
officers will track down kids ditching school here. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:17:57 PM 843 Views
I'm not sure what they do in Canada SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:49:00 PM 736 Views
Agrees Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:54:59 PM 672 Views
As I said, most people would prefer to have their safety threatened to losing their kids. *NM* Cannoli - 06/03/2010 10:14:52 PM 472 Views
New Cosmic Powers of the admins Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:52:57 PM 582 Views
It is the Power of the Ben™ *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 08:48:11 PM 414 Views
*walks in, looks around* ßelals Girl - 03/03/2010 07:52:09 PM 784 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* Macharius - 03/03/2010 09:25:46 PM 558 Views
What, no defending Germany today? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:03:01 PM 423 Views
Even I need a day off *NM* ßelals Girl - 04/03/2010 01:02:17 AM 408 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* ironclad - 03/03/2010 10:33:24 PM 607 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 11:02:27 PM 779 Views
Am I recalling correctly that you know some German? Legolas - 03/03/2010 11:07:00 PM 729 Views
Sorry, nope. SilverWarder - 04/03/2010 09:14:49 PM 533 Views
Oh. Ah well. Legolas - 04/03/2010 09:23:11 PM 696 Views
One thing all of us homeschooled kids are missing is... beckstcw - 04/03/2010 01:53:22 AM 656 Views
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