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That whole thing is pretty silly snoopcester Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 12:18:45 PM
Can't imagine Germans are going to care and the organisation clearly did the whole thing as a propoganda effort. A waste of the immigration courts time though.
Hopefully the kids will not lose out in later life as a result of being home schooled - didn't notice it actually saying what it was the parents didn't want their kids to learn so they could be with holding or mis-teaching them on things, plus they're probably more likely to have trouble with socialising.
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Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. Cannoli - 02/03/2010 10:30:01 PM 1481 Views
Looks like a win-win situation to me. Legolas - 02/03/2010 11:01:22 PM 762 Views
Exactly ironclad - 03/03/2010 08:54:10 AM 716 Views
yah...but...but.... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:13:31 PM 628 Views
Germany does have a history of getting rid of people it doesn't like *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:08:37 PM 471 Views
Yawn. At least beckstcw was joking when he invoked Godwin's law below. I hope. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:10:18 PM 388 Views
That is a load of crap random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:53:02 PM 470 Views
uhm, how would Germany be offending the US? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:56:52 PM 433 Views
I meant in general not in this specfic case random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:59:01 PM 384 Views
ahh mk *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:09:39 PM 416 Views
Um. Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:57:53 PM 315 Views
But our religious beliefs and belief in allowing religious freedom is fair game? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:09:48 PM 325 Views
Yes? Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:40:30 PM 303 Views
If you made fun of the Native Americans I would be offended random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:46:05 PM 546 Views
It's actually quite the opposite. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:57:19 PM 522 Views
and I would say they trying to fix intolerance with more intolerance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:13:49 PM 308 Views
That was probably the stupidest thing I ever saw you write ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:28:39 PM 478 Views
You were the one who said good riddance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:43:24 PM 332 Views
It's the usual story of American ideology and European pragmatism. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:52:51 PM 493 Views
exactly. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:56:11 PM 435 Views
Yes, because I won't miss them much. ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:55:29 PM 521 Views
well said Aisha - 03/03/2010 06:34:18 PM 511 Views
This is getting a bit off the discussion. Please keep it civil, everyone. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:55:11 PM 409 Views
I think it's outrageous they'd fine people for that Isaac - 02/03/2010 11:07:57 PM 773 Views
Re: Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 01:09:23 AM 897 Views
The socialization thing is mostly garbage Isaac - 03/03/2010 02:32:19 AM 768 Views
Yep, exactly. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:41:14 AM 561 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 03:12:48 AM 539 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:34:33 AM 789 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 04:34:30 AM 778 Views
*shrugs* I said it was anecdotal. I have no hard figures, only experiences. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:28:29 AM 535 Views
The operative word IS mostly LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:33:20 AM 732 Views
'Mostly' is all that matters Isaac - 03/03/2010 05:46:01 AM 772 Views
Uhm, socialization is incredibly important. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:03:30 AM 741 Views
Yes, but you don't need to be taught to do it Isaac - 03/03/2010 06:47:06 AM 690 Views
cats aren't pack or herd animals LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:53:02 AM 679 Views
Something of an inside joke, sorry Isaac - 03/03/2010 07:41:50 AM 722 Views
us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:05:27 PM 535 Views
Re: us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:19:21 PM 605 Views
I would agree that households with two working parnets shouldn't home school *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:22:51 PM 389 Views
I'm a homeschooling parent. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:09:03 PM 707 Views
LOL, we seem well represented on this site Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:02:16 PM 790 Views
to jump on the "I was homeschooled and I have social skills" bandwagon... Mat Maniac - 03/03/2010 06:27:05 AM 1092 Views
I think you may be missing some things random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:48:27 PM 827 Views
Re: I think you may be missing some things everynametaken - 05/03/2010 12:16:37 AM 898 Views
I was homeschooled through grade 12, and my mom has done pro bono legal work for HSLDA. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:20:38 AM 681 Views
I agree that it can be a very good option for some families LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:42:21 AM 814 Views
Re: I agree that it can be a very good option for some families Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:16:17 AM 651 Views
It depends on the public school. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:23:09 AM 688 Views
Re: It depends on the public school. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:45:07 AM 687 Views
"done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:58:26 AM 521 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM 837 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:31:04 AM 748 Views
Well let's talk stats then. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:55:14 AM 710 Views
please do not get me started on statistis. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:11:19 AM 628 Views
Re: please do not get me started on statistis. Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:28:41 AM 682 Views
you missed my point. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:10:26 PM 700 Views
You seem to be ignoring the matter of qualified teachers. Legolas - 03/03/2010 01:29:01 PM 663 Views
Your comments on public school educations have rather limited relevance to other countries, though. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:30 AM 761 Views
+ ^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:11:04 PM 386 Views
While I support homeschooling, this is ridiculous. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:48:40 AM 814 Views
Meh. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:20:50 AM 740 Views
one year in a public school LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:13 AM 793 Views
Re: one year in a public school Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM 563 Views
No, I think i will nitpick. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:11:44 AM 693 Views
This is getting off track and wasting time. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:26:36 AM 728 Views
I'm not even certain it's 100% legal. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:34:44 AM 514 Views
Yes, but we can't argue abuse of law. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:51:23 AM 627 Views
I only used Mexicans because I'm from Arizona LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:29 AM 751 Views
I think I have the gist of it, Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:17:40 AM 647 Views
we haven't heard anything about their beliefs for me to think they're stupid. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:54:25 PM 734 Views
According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung... Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:38:13 PM 656 Views
they don't have private christian schools in germany? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:54:07 PM 612 Views
Not many, I dare say, but a few probably. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:59:11 PM 411 Views
Say what? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM 602 Views
Being able raise your kids by your beliefs is a frivolous matter? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:21:23 PM 537 Views
Germany is not saying "you can't raise your kids by your beliefs" LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:31:01 PM 663 Views
It's not a recent law, and supposedly other German families have moved to France and the UK. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:45:56 PM 751 Views
figured that. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:58:57 PM 637 Views
I think that would fly in very face of political assylum random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:12:48 PM 704 Views
Yes, but they did not need political asylum. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:28:16 PM 718 Views
how is that different then other political refuges we allow in? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:55:14 PM 630 Views
I believe Legolas linked an article LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:57:09 PM 611 Views
I never saw the link random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:08:21 PM 524 Views
I'm not sure if they offered "formal" assurances or some such LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:21:54 PM 448 Views
that was a mayor, I doubt he would have the final word on the issue random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:46:22 PM 503 Views
You don't have a law about removing children from parental custody? At all? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:43:15 PM 649 Views
They can take your kids from for not sending them to school but not for home schooling them random thoughts - 03/03/2010 10:35:48 PM 659 Views
Compared to not being able to feed your kids, yes, it is. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:42:58 PM 535 Views
yes but we don't grant political assylum for being hungry random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:34:23 PM 621 Views
no we don't. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:50:31 PM 494 Views
Do you have a better system? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:05:42 PM 784 Views
Immigration processes could certainly use some reform LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:22 PM 585 Views
The system sucks, big government typically does not function well random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:48:25 PM 521 Views
we probably would all be better off... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:27:28 PM 640 Views
good because Texas is taken random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:47:46 PM 644 Views
No, true, that was about the illegal immigrants. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:18 PM 745 Views
Oh, and did you miss the part where the federal government is appealing the decision? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:40:42 AM 394 Views
Absolutely. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:32:41 AM 724 Views
I would consider the threat of losing my children because of my beliefs to be a real threat *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:54:08 PM 433 Views
Doesn't matter why, but all parents should have the right to homeschool..... trzaska2000 - 03/03/2010 04:48:57 AM 564 Views
there are far worse faults for a country to have *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:14:11 AM 383 Views
That whole thing is pretty silly snoopcester - 03/03/2010 12:18:45 PM 795 Views
Re: socialising. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:13:49 PM 757 Views
And then there are secular people like myself, who The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:44:13 PM 698 Views
I think I'd do that too, if I had the patience. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:45:20 PM 574 Views
*agree* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:41:56 PM 754 Views
That is the catagory I'm in. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:46:12 PM 615 Views
Re: probably more likely snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:19:37 AM 764 Views
I am opposed to homeschooling but believe it should be a legal option. Tom - 03/03/2010 02:32:34 PM 706 Views
I think you make a good point here random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:22:59 PM 745 Views
but...but...parents can't educate their children outside of school!! LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:40:30 PM 672 Views
I don't agree with them I just support their right to be wrong random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:04:11 PM 719 Views
The statistics are flawed, as I've noted above LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 584 Views
they tend to beat private schools as well would should flatten out the demographics random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:53:38 PM 671 Views
Your views on this are not fact-driven Isaac - 03/03/2010 09:13:07 PM 761 Views
No, what you're saying is that my answer isn't driven by STATISTICS. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:36:50 PM 687 Views
Granted, but there is no obvious source for bias Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:57:19 PM 617 Views
Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Tom - 03/03/2010 11:51:17 PM 531 Views
Re: Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:16:29 AM 768 Views
You mean aside from the fact that you are already arguing about it? snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:14:02 AM 523 Views
Yes, I mentioned this in my reply to Tom, see below... Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:19:42 AM 658 Views
Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:21:41 AM 573 Views
Re: Fair enough Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:37:06 AM 982 Views
Re: Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 09:39:38 AM 688 Views
And the wikipedia article you pointed me to had a different study that contradicts your point. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:42:54 PM 628 Views
Religious or *moral* instruction Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:49:48 PM 712 Views
I haven't really "met" you the way I meant it in that reply Tom - 03/03/2010 11:48:11 PM 512 Views
Granted but for our purposes I think people on this site would qualify Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:05:03 AM 675 Views
Umm Massachusetts did have slavery in 1717 random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:55:25 PM 622 Views
His argument on the law of Germany is a bad one generally, though, not just for that reason. Tom - 03/03/2010 03:31:00 PM 538 Views
Wow....so this got the board going. A question for everyone... Jeordam - 03/03/2010 06:02:57 PM 807 Views
I think it is incumbent on the state to show that kids are being in some way harmed random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:07:13 PM 724 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM 827 Views
I never said there should be no limits on what parents should be able to do random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:38:53 PM 777 Views
What you said was: SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:51:26 PM 764 Views
I think it's safe to say teaching your kids to be little sociopaths qualifies as harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 09:17:48 PM 546 Views
I think so too SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:46:41 PM 775 Views
I think the problem there was it was seen as inherently political, that, and showing harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 11:44:21 PM 600 Views
Yes they do. Provided... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 647 Views
One of the reasons... Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:40:54 PM 729 Views
that is fair enough LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:51:31 PM 614 Views
There is a reason why education until 18 (or 16, depending) is not merely a right, but a duty. Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:00:53 PM 713 Views
Hmmph. Inappropriate action on the part of the judge who allowed them to stay. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:22:08 PM 669 Views
I agree completely with this. *NM* The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:42:01 PM 412 Views
agree. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:49:01 PM 273 Views
You just skip the part where they have to show they are being persecuted random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:54:20 PM 793 Views
"Persecution" can be a matter of opinion, though. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 771 Views
officers will track down kids ditching school here. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:17:57 PM 814 Views
I'm not sure what they do in Canada SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:49:00 PM 672 Views
Agrees Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:54:59 PM 635 Views
As I said, most people would prefer to have their safety threatened to losing their kids. *NM* Cannoli - 06/03/2010 10:14:52 PM 458 Views
New Cosmic Powers of the admins Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:52:57 PM 550 Views
It is the Power of the Ben™ *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 08:48:11 PM 402 Views
*walks in, looks around* ßelals Girl - 03/03/2010 07:52:09 PM 743 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* Macharius - 03/03/2010 09:25:46 PM 513 Views
What, no defending Germany today? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:03:01 PM 408 Views
Even I need a day off *NM* ßelals Girl - 04/03/2010 01:02:17 AM 395 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* ironclad - 03/03/2010 10:33:24 PM 564 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 11:02:27 PM 743 Views
Am I recalling correctly that you know some German? Legolas - 03/03/2010 11:07:00 PM 696 Views
Sorry, nope. SilverWarder - 04/03/2010 09:14:49 PM 494 Views
Oh. Ah well. Legolas - 04/03/2010 09:23:11 PM 663 Views
One thing all of us homeschooled kids are missing is... beckstcw - 04/03/2010 01:53:22 AM 622 Views
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