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According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung... Legolas Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 03:38:13 PM
They thought that "German education in the last ten, twenty years has moved further and further away from Christian values", and that "German state schools don't offer value-neutral education but discourage traditional Christian values such as love for one's neighbour, trust, reliability, hard work, willingness to help and respect". Still according to that source, the final drop was a book containing "obscene words referring to sexual intercourse" (unfortunately it doesn't say anywhere how old the children are or which year this book was taught in, that I've seen).

And the advocates of home-schooling will be pleased to know that one of the articles below quotes the spokesman of a German organization for "freedom of education", who expresses the hope that this scandal will lead to home-schooling becoming legal in Germany.

The mayor of the town is also quoted, who confirms that the police brought the children to school once in 2006, but denies that taking the children away is a possibility, because "then the welfare of the children would have to be endangered, which is not the case here".

(Links are:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/586/464188/text/
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/jobkarriere/169/463774/text/
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/jobkarriere/170/501426/text/
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Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. Cannoli - 02/03/2010 10:30:01 PM 1467 Views
Looks like a win-win situation to me. Legolas - 02/03/2010 11:01:22 PM 749 Views
Exactly ironclad - 03/03/2010 08:54:10 AM 703 Views
yah...but...but.... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:13:31 PM 613 Views
Germany does have a history of getting rid of people it doesn't like *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:08:37 PM 464 Views
Yawn. At least beckstcw was joking when he invoked Godwin's law below. I hope. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:10:18 PM 382 Views
That is a load of crap random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:53:02 PM 465 Views
uhm, how would Germany be offending the US? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:56:52 PM 427 Views
I meant in general not in this specfic case random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:59:01 PM 377 Views
ahh mk *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:09:39 PM 410 Views
Um. Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:57:53 PM 309 Views
But our religious beliefs and belief in allowing religious freedom is fair game? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:09:48 PM 320 Views
Yes? Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:40:30 PM 297 Views
If you made fun of the Native Americans I would be offended random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:46:05 PM 541 Views
It's actually quite the opposite. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:57:19 PM 516 Views
and I would say they trying to fix intolerance with more intolerance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:13:49 PM 301 Views
That was probably the stupidest thing I ever saw you write ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:28:39 PM 471 Views
You were the one who said good riddance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:43:24 PM 327 Views
It's the usual story of American ideology and European pragmatism. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:52:51 PM 486 Views
exactly. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:56:11 PM 427 Views
Yes, because I won't miss them much. ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:55:29 PM 515 Views
well said Aisha - 03/03/2010 06:34:18 PM 504 Views
This is getting a bit off the discussion. Please keep it civil, everyone. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:55:11 PM 403 Views
I think it's outrageous they'd fine people for that Isaac - 02/03/2010 11:07:57 PM 756 Views
Re: Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 01:09:23 AM 882 Views
The socialization thing is mostly garbage Isaac - 03/03/2010 02:32:19 AM 757 Views
Yep, exactly. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:41:14 AM 546 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 03:12:48 AM 528 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:34:33 AM 778 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 04:34:30 AM 767 Views
*shrugs* I said it was anecdotal. I have no hard figures, only experiences. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:28:29 AM 522 Views
The operative word IS mostly LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:33:20 AM 721 Views
'Mostly' is all that matters Isaac - 03/03/2010 05:46:01 AM 761 Views
Uhm, socialization is incredibly important. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:03:30 AM 730 Views
Yes, but you don't need to be taught to do it Isaac - 03/03/2010 06:47:06 AM 678 Views
cats aren't pack or herd animals LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:53:02 AM 667 Views
Something of an inside joke, sorry Isaac - 03/03/2010 07:41:50 AM 709 Views
us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:05:27 PM 524 Views
Re: us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:19:21 PM 593 Views
I would agree that households with two working parnets shouldn't home school *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:22:51 PM 384 Views
I'm a homeschooling parent. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:09:03 PM 694 Views
LOL, we seem well represented on this site Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:02:16 PM 774 Views
to jump on the "I was homeschooled and I have social skills" bandwagon... Mat Maniac - 03/03/2010 06:27:05 AM 1079 Views
I think you may be missing some things random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:48:27 PM 816 Views
Re: I think you may be missing some things everynametaken - 05/03/2010 12:16:37 AM 887 Views
I was homeschooled through grade 12, and my mom has done pro bono legal work for HSLDA. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:20:38 AM 671 Views
I agree that it can be a very good option for some families LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:42:21 AM 804 Views
Re: I agree that it can be a very good option for some families Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:16:17 AM 639 Views
It depends on the public school. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:23:09 AM 676 Views
Re: It depends on the public school. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:45:07 AM 677 Views
"done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:58:26 AM 507 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM 825 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:31:04 AM 738 Views
Well let's talk stats then. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:55:14 AM 698 Views
please do not get me started on statistis. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:11:19 AM 616 Views
Re: please do not get me started on statistis. Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:28:41 AM 671 Views
you missed my point. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:10:26 PM 688 Views
You seem to be ignoring the matter of qualified teachers. Legolas - 03/03/2010 01:29:01 PM 652 Views
Your comments on public school educations have rather limited relevance to other countries, though. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:30 AM 750 Views
+ ^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:11:04 PM 381 Views
While I support homeschooling, this is ridiculous. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:48:40 AM 803 Views
Meh. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:20:50 AM 730 Views
one year in a public school LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:13 AM 777 Views
Re: one year in a public school Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM 550 Views
No, I think i will nitpick. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:11:44 AM 680 Views
This is getting off track and wasting time. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:26:36 AM 717 Views
I'm not even certain it's 100% legal. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:34:44 AM 503 Views
Yes, but we can't argue abuse of law. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:51:23 AM 614 Views
I only used Mexicans because I'm from Arizona LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:29 AM 741 Views
I think I have the gist of it, Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:17:40 AM 634 Views
we haven't heard anything about their beliefs for me to think they're stupid. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:54:25 PM 722 Views
According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung... Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:38:13 PM 644 Views
they don't have private christian schools in germany? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:54:07 PM 600 Views
Not many, I dare say, but a few probably. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:59:11 PM 406 Views
Say what? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM 592 Views
Being able raise your kids by your beliefs is a frivolous matter? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:21:23 PM 526 Views
Germany is not saying "you can't raise your kids by your beliefs" LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:31:01 PM 649 Views
It's not a recent law, and supposedly other German families have moved to France and the UK. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:45:56 PM 742 Views
figured that. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:58:57 PM 628 Views
I think that would fly in very face of political assylum random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:12:48 PM 693 Views
Yes, but they did not need political asylum. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:28:16 PM 706 Views
how is that different then other political refuges we allow in? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:55:14 PM 621 Views
I believe Legolas linked an article LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:57:09 PM 597 Views
I never saw the link random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:08:21 PM 514 Views
I'm not sure if they offered "formal" assurances or some such LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:21:54 PM 434 Views
that was a mayor, I doubt he would have the final word on the issue random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:46:22 PM 490 Views
You don't have a law about removing children from parental custody? At all? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:43:15 PM 637 Views
They can take your kids from for not sending them to school but not for home schooling them random thoughts - 03/03/2010 10:35:48 PM 644 Views
Compared to not being able to feed your kids, yes, it is. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:42:58 PM 521 Views
yes but we don't grant political assylum for being hungry random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:34:23 PM 608 Views
no we don't. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:50:31 PM 480 Views
Do you have a better system? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:05:42 PM 770 Views
Immigration processes could certainly use some reform LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:22 PM 574 Views
The system sucks, big government typically does not function well random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:48:25 PM 509 Views
we probably would all be better off... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:27:28 PM 625 Views
good because Texas is taken random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:47:46 PM 633 Views
No, true, that was about the illegal immigrants. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:18 PM 734 Views
Oh, and did you miss the part where the federal government is appealing the decision? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:40:42 AM 389 Views
Absolutely. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:32:41 AM 711 Views
I would consider the threat of losing my children because of my beliefs to be a real threat *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:54:08 PM 428 Views
Doesn't matter why, but all parents should have the right to homeschool..... trzaska2000 - 03/03/2010 04:48:57 AM 548 Views
there are far worse faults for a country to have *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:14:11 AM 379 Views
That whole thing is pretty silly snoopcester - 03/03/2010 12:18:45 PM 784 Views
Re: socialising. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:13:49 PM 741 Views
And then there are secular people like myself, who The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:44:13 PM 687 Views
I think I'd do that too, if I had the patience. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:45:20 PM 561 Views
*agree* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:41:56 PM 738 Views
That is the catagory I'm in. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:46:12 PM 601 Views
Re: probably more likely snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:19:37 AM 749 Views
I am opposed to homeschooling but believe it should be a legal option. Tom - 03/03/2010 02:32:34 PM 691 Views
I think you make a good point here random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:22:59 PM 732 Views
but...but...parents can't educate their children outside of school!! LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:40:30 PM 660 Views
I don't agree with them I just support their right to be wrong random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:04:11 PM 706 Views
The statistics are flawed, as I've noted above LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 571 Views
they tend to beat private schools as well would should flatten out the demographics random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:53:38 PM 657 Views
Your views on this are not fact-driven Isaac - 03/03/2010 09:13:07 PM 749 Views
No, what you're saying is that my answer isn't driven by STATISTICS. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:36:50 PM 673 Views
Granted, but there is no obvious source for bias Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:57:19 PM 607 Views
Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Tom - 03/03/2010 11:51:17 PM 517 Views
Re: Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:16:29 AM 753 Views
You mean aside from the fact that you are already arguing about it? snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:14:02 AM 508 Views
Yes, I mentioned this in my reply to Tom, see below... Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:19:42 AM 648 Views
Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:21:41 AM 562 Views
Re: Fair enough Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:37:06 AM 972 Views
Re: Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 09:39:38 AM 677 Views
And the wikipedia article you pointed me to had a different study that contradicts your point. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:42:54 PM 603 Views
Religious or *moral* instruction Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:49:48 PM 697 Views
I haven't really "met" you the way I meant it in that reply Tom - 03/03/2010 11:48:11 PM 498 Views
Granted but for our purposes I think people on this site would qualify Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:05:03 AM 665 Views
Umm Massachusetts did have slavery in 1717 random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:55:25 PM 610 Views
His argument on the law of Germany is a bad one generally, though, not just for that reason. Tom - 03/03/2010 03:31:00 PM 528 Views
Wow....so this got the board going. A question for everyone... Jeordam - 03/03/2010 06:02:57 PM 790 Views
I think it is incumbent on the state to show that kids are being in some way harmed random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:07:13 PM 712 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM 816 Views
I never said there should be no limits on what parents should be able to do random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:38:53 PM 764 Views
What you said was: SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:51:26 PM 751 Views
I think it's safe to say teaching your kids to be little sociopaths qualifies as harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 09:17:48 PM 532 Views
I think so too SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:46:41 PM 765 Views
I think the problem there was it was seen as inherently political, that, and showing harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 11:44:21 PM 590 Views
Yes they do. Provided... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 636 Views
One of the reasons... Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:40:54 PM 716 Views
that is fair enough LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:51:31 PM 603 Views
There is a reason why education until 18 (or 16, depending) is not merely a right, but a duty. Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:00:53 PM 701 Views
Hmmph. Inappropriate action on the part of the judge who allowed them to stay. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:22:08 PM 657 Views
I agree completely with this. *NM* The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:42:01 PM 405 Views
agree. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:49:01 PM 268 Views
You just skip the part where they have to show they are being persecuted random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:54:20 PM 782 Views
"Persecution" can be a matter of opinion, though. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 750 Views
officers will track down kids ditching school here. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:17:57 PM 801 Views
I'm not sure what they do in Canada SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:49:00 PM 651 Views
Agrees Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:54:59 PM 622 Views
As I said, most people would prefer to have their safety threatened to losing their kids. *NM* Cannoli - 06/03/2010 10:14:52 PM 452 Views
New Cosmic Powers of the admins Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:52:57 PM 539 Views
It is the Power of the Ben™ *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 08:48:11 PM 395 Views
*walks in, looks around* ßelals Girl - 03/03/2010 07:52:09 PM 730 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* Macharius - 03/03/2010 09:25:46 PM 500 Views
What, no defending Germany today? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:03:01 PM 404 Views
Even I need a day off *NM* ßelals Girl - 04/03/2010 01:02:17 AM 390 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* ironclad - 03/03/2010 10:33:24 PM 552 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 11:02:27 PM 730 Views
Am I recalling correctly that you know some German? Legolas - 03/03/2010 11:07:00 PM 681 Views
Sorry, nope. SilverWarder - 04/03/2010 09:14:49 PM 482 Views
Oh. Ah well. Legolas - 04/03/2010 09:23:11 PM 651 Views
One thing all of us homeschooled kids are missing is... beckstcw - 04/03/2010 01:53:22 AM 611 Views
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