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Re: To the best of my knowledge from the studies and ocumentaries I saw in college... everynametaken Send a noteboard - 05/03/2010 05:15:54 AM
The people giving them a second chance need to be willing to sit down with the next child they rape and his or her parents and explain their second chance theory to them. We have almost 7 billion people on the planet we can cull a few of the truly bad ones out.


while earning my psychology degree "rehabilitation" does not work with sex offenders. As I replied to Joel, to avoid repeating they often have to cut themselves off from pretty much all social interaction and become reclusive in an effort to avoid temptation. This is the reasoning behind them not being allowed computers (sometimes they are allowed limited use such as in a job) or pornography of any sort (magazines, movies, etc.) and why they have to check in constantly with their parole officers. Of course, the temptation to repeat is why they have to register, so they can be monitored and kept track of. Hell, even murderers don't have to register once they are released, they just have to let their PO know where they are. Sex offenders having to register should speak volumes about how dangerous they are.


Minors who engaged in sex and people who urinated in public also have had to register, so it doesn't seem to speak volumes at all.

Recidivism is actually lower for sex offenders, but that's because they don't commit sexual offenses frequently in the first place. They have a higher probability of committing another offense eventually. On the other hand, a recent meta-analysis found that that community "treatment completers were significantly less likely to re-offend sexually or violently (7, 11%) than non-completers (19, 37%) and the no treatment group (42, 26%, w2 11.34, df 2, p 5 .001). Clearly, non-completers re-offended sexually or violently at the highest rate, more so than those who received no treatment" (Craissati, South & Bierer, 2009, p. 780). Suppose for now that these numbers are the most accurate available (unless you know a better study, of course). Now, say we've got 900 treatment completers in jail: about 100 of them will re-offend, but 800 of them won't. Is it ethical to keep all 900 in prison since we can't identify the 100 still-bad apples among them?

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Craissati, J., South, R. & Bierer, K. (2009). Exploring the effectiveness of community sex offender treatment in
relation to risk and re-offending. Journal of Forensic Psychiatry & Psychology, 20(6), 769-784.





Thanks for posting the journal source. I have not personally studied anything in abnormal psychology or criminal psychology in several years so I am not sure where current research is. I definitely want to check this article out.
As far as treatment goes I would never argue against it. Even if only helped 1 in 100 it would be worth it. As to why treatment works that depends on a lot of factors. What does the treatment entail? What are they learning? I would imagine they are undergoing a more cognitive-behavioral approach than say talk therapy and social dynamic type stuff (although that might be beneficial to some of them too). If so then I would like to know just what they are learning in terms of response to temptation as well as how to avoid temptation. Like I said, many of those who go through treatment learn to become reclusive. They often do so because it is easier to avoid the thoughts and feelings that come up with certain types of encounters thus it is easier to prevent them by avoiding certain situations to begin with. There is also the social stigma that accompanies being a sexual offender which leaves many of them with nowhere to go and nothing to do and thus isolation again. It's like a double whammy.

As far as public urination versus actual sexual offense such as molestation and rape goes you are correct. I didn't clarify that when I commented on registering. I was thinking mainly of things like rape and molestation. I am one who believes things like public urination does not belong on the sexual offender lists. But the inappropriate addition of such cases doesn't negate my point either. Sexual predators are registered and tracked for a reason, because they repeat.

As far as the ethics issue goes, I don't have an answer and I really don't know what should be done. I think it unethical to mete out something like life in prison to a first time offender but I don't know what is the appropriate and effective punishment.
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Blame the victim mentality is so sad. - 04/03/2010 03:49:27 PM 176 Views
the good news is this sort of thinking - 04/03/2010 03:55:38 PM 183 Views
I don't know. There's something to be said for this way of thinking. - 04/03/2010 04:46:29 PM 198 Views
I'm with you on life imprisonment for repeat sex offenders. - 04/03/2010 06:28:27 PM 252 Views
if the vicitim is a child they shouldn't be given a second chance - 04/03/2010 06:35:36 PM 255 Views
It's a tough call for me. - 04/03/2010 06:43:04 PM 193 Views
there does have to be an element of common sense involved - 04/03/2010 06:58:58 PM 171 Views
agree. - 04/03/2010 07:02:37 PM 160 Views
I believe in second chances after suitably long and thorough rehab. - 04/03/2010 07:02:38 PM 189 Views
that's just Texas though. - 04/03/2010 07:17:02 PM 163 Views
Hence "a lot of places" and "in TX. " - 04/03/2010 08:45:12 PM 159 Views
do you have any evidience that rehab works - 04/03/2010 08:29:00 PM 194 Views
Yah, I'm not a big proponent of the "truly bad people" mindset. - 04/03/2010 08:41:55 PM 190 Views
Nice post, I agree with nearly all of that. *NM* - 04/03/2010 08:55:17 PM 54 Views
Thanks; even us blind squirrels occasionally find a nut. - 05/03/2010 03:13:47 AM 149 Views
I wish the truly bad people felt the same way - 05/03/2010 02:57:15 PM 205 Views
I wish we could get past the notion of "truly bad people. " - 15/03/2010 05:50:34 AM 228 Views
To the best of my knowledge from the studies and ocumentaries I saw in college... - 05/03/2010 01:19:18 AM 249 Views
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when they get to 100% let me know - 05/03/2010 02:58:00 PM 185 Views
I don't think the comparison to the Australian Sheik is relevant. - 15/03/2010 07:04:08 AM 178 Views

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