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The problem with "look how bad govt. programs are" is it ignores the "starve the beast" theory. Joel Send a noteboard - 05/03/2010 05:51:50 PM

Oh my god, I'm a socialist! How could this happen! Someone talk me out of it, quickly!


Troubling development, but fear not, such forays into socialism are not unheard of. Forget for the moment how well it is or isn't working in other countries and think about how wonderful social security, medicare, medicaid, public education, welfare, etc have been handled by our gov't.

Remember how much of modern medicine relies on technological advancement, and consider where innovation tends to come from, and exactly how much incentive companies are going to have to do R&D when the price and profit for their efforts will probably be set by DC.

Hopefully that worked ;)

As recently noted, Canada and other countries innovate just fine, but far be it from me to let that interfere with good rhetoric. :P

Anyway, my main point is it's a little disingenuous when government programs are hamstrung by a party that then cites the resulting poor performance as proof government programs don't work. It's like putting Kim Jong Il in charge of the IAEA and then pointing to North Korea as "proof" it doesn't work. If a system is designed to fail failure isn't a huge surprise, but it's sometimes more indicative of poor management than an inherently poor system. There are a lot of critics of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, but few among those receiving any of them, and even those few usually complain they don't get MORE government services. Fortunately we have things like private retirement investments and private healthcare for those who can afford the greater service they desire, but, once again, no one who CAN'T afford more is forced to accept nothing.
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Oh my god...I'm a socialist! - 05/03/2010 02:46:17 PM 698 Views
Just remind yourself how good the government is with its other efforts - 05/03/2010 03:00:26 PM 410 Views
The problem with "look how bad govt. programs are" is it ignores the "starve the beast" theory. - 05/03/2010 05:51:50 PM 497 Views
That works both ways - 05/03/2010 06:13:43 PM 462 Views
Re: That works both ways - 15/03/2010 06:28:45 AM 465 Views
Don't worry it isn't like we have free market economics in health care right now - 05/03/2010 03:19:39 PM 425 Views
Hold on a sec. - 05/03/2010 05:58:00 PM 427 Views
Well you should read somehting besides the Daily Kos - 05/03/2010 06:25:23 PM 402 Views
That's getting tiresome, since you know it doesn't apply. - 15/03/2010 07:13:38 AM 394 Views
Very true. *NM* - 05/03/2010 11:45:36 PM 155 Views
That's not really a socialist policy. - 05/03/2010 03:24:59 PM 436 Views
you don't seem to understand socialism. visit wikipedia and check it out there. *NM* - 05/03/2010 05:16:02 PM 157 Views
Tongue. In. Cheek. *NM* - 05/03/2010 05:47:40 PM 152 Views
Making healthcare universally accessible is not socialist... - 05/03/2010 05:29:16 PM 393 Views
It is universally accessible now - 05/03/2010 05:43:52 PM 411 Views
Ah, like the Rolls Royce is universally acceptable. - 05/03/2010 05:52:59 PM 389 Views
use more words becuase that statement makes no sense - 05/03/2010 06:27:04 PM 415 Views
... - 15/03/2010 06:34:57 AM 385 Views
BS *NM* - 05/03/2010 06:08:52 PM 147 Views
BSS - 05/03/2010 06:28:15 PM 383 Views
Random Thoughts - 05/03/2010 06:31:00 PM 377 Views
It is the over simplification I object to - 05/03/2010 06:59:29 PM 380 Views
Thus the BS comment - 05/03/2010 07:37:22 PM 398 Views
is this not a paradox you've proposed here? - 05/03/2010 06:25:08 PM 420 Views
Universal healthcare is good... - 05/03/2010 10:13:01 PM 414 Views
great I was really hoping we could hear from a moron and you seem to fit the bill - 05/03/2010 11:39:15 PM 398 Views
I think he was joking RT - note the at the end of the message *NM* - 06/03/2010 09:23:45 AM 206 Views
To much cold medicine *NM* - 06/03/2010 12:13:12 PM 160 Views
How does "Don't worry, it will never happen in America either way" sound? - 05/03/2010 11:49:23 PM 397 Views
Eww - 06/03/2010 11:39:04 PM 455 Views
no - 06/03/2010 11:42:47 PM 436 Views
The scariest ones are the ones who are both. - 06/03/2010 11:55:51 PM 503 Views
that and it is crawling with dirty forgieners - 07/03/2010 03:01:27 AM 415 Views

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