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There are no "good guys" in Turkey, at least not in the government. Tom Send a noteboard - 18/03/2010 01:57:44 PM
There is a military establishment with a serious amount of Kurdish blood on their hands, the result of a brutal military campaign much of the world is ignorant of (perhaps because American military equipment caused the bloodshed and Turkey is a "good NATO ally" ). They're not "good guys".

Then there's the AKP, which has Islamist roots, supports the theocracy in Iran and plays to base nationalist sentiment with anti-American statements and now with threats of ethnic cleansing. I don't see them as "good guys" either.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

*MySmiley*
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