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My issues are not with a lack of democracy and I don't equate the AKP and the military Tom Send a noteboard - 18/03/2010 02:35:00 PM
I do ultimately want to see all nations have the right to choose their leaders, but my issue with Turkey doesn't have to do with a lack of democracy.

My issue with Turkey is that we get to choose between ultranationalist butchers and anti-American shits. Both deny the Armenian genocide and actually seem to somehow blame the victims. It's horrible and unconscionable. I don't see either of these as a good alternative.

I also fail to see what Russia has to do with any of this. Russia has recognized the dark pages of its own past - President Medvedev recently made yet more statements about the brutal murders and Gulag system, and there are monuments in Russia erected to the memory of the victims of Stalinism. As in virtually any country, yes, there are people who deny the past or seek to whitewash it, but it is not a crime in Russia to "insult Russian-ness" or publish books that expose the full scope of the Terror, the brutalities of the Red Army in Russia's Civil War or nearly any other act of evil committed in Russia at any time.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians - 17/03/2010 05:10:26 PM 1047 Views
Why not let sleeping dogs lie? - 17/03/2010 05:22:34 PM 521 Views
No - 17/03/2010 06:17:50 PM 507 Views
Everyone else knows what happened.... - 17/03/2010 06:35:37 PM 554 Views
Every nation has to come to grips with the "sins of its past". - 18/03/2010 01:30:56 AM 461 Views
Erdogan is the Middle East's Chavez. *NM* - 17/03/2010 06:38:00 PM 241 Views
I think Lieberman has the better claim there. *NM* - 18/03/2010 03:39:29 AM 210 Views
Hardly. Lieberman makes sense - 18/03/2010 05:34:43 PM 447 Views
I've read some articles saying otherwise. - 18/03/2010 05:49:52 PM 496 Views
Torpedoing Biden's mission ? What a sad joke. - 18/03/2010 06:22:37 PM 446 Views
Would you like to call it something else? - 18/03/2010 06:26:34 PM 479 Views
Because Obama was looking for a way to get offended - 18/03/2010 06:54:55 PM 638 Views
Your problem is that a "settlement freeze" doesn't impress anyone at all. - 18/03/2010 07:16:55 PM 439 Views
Maybe we should just ask the Palestinians if we can keep Tel Aviv ? - 18/03/2010 07:44:07 PM 439 Views
If you want anyone to be impressed, yes. - 18/03/2010 09:03:11 PM 415 Views
How is it too much when there is a freeze ? - 18/03/2010 09:22:03 PM 485 Views
You call this a freeze? - 18/03/2010 09:43:52 PM 519 Views
Not your sourness silly. Obama's - 18/03/2010 10:15:56 PM 457 Views
Ah. - 18/03/2010 10:22:58 PM 431 Views
And you know what really annoys me ? - 18/03/2010 10:53:13 PM 502 Views
How long are supposed to stop building for? - 18/03/2010 09:32:58 PM 427 Views
How about permanently? - 18/03/2010 09:50:46 PM 500 Views
I don't think i agree that the condidtions for peace or that well known - 19/03/2010 04:32:37 AM 404 Views
Major conditions - 19/03/2010 09:59:37 AM 455 Views
Re: Major conditions - 19/03/2010 01:26:54 PM 469 Views
Seriously, what conflict are you looking at? - 19/03/2010 01:56:24 PM 638 Views
Re: Seriously, what conflict are you looking at? - 19/03/2010 04:47:07 PM 442 Views
Ah, good point there... I was kinda thinking of the West. - 19/03/2010 08:31:11 PM 487 Views
well I wasn't talking about how anyone treated but who was making the decisions - 19/03/2010 09:24:47 PM 514 Views
That really isn't a very useful observation at this point, though. - 19/03/2010 09:32:30 PM 431 Views
Man, your analysis is weird - 20/03/2010 11:24:40 AM 730 Views
I'm a bit confused what you're saying exactly... - 20/03/2010 04:10:14 PM 467 Views
How so ? - 20/03/2010 11:04:30 PM 413 Views
It was over because Israel wanted it to be over. - 20/03/2010 11:24:33 PM 451 Views
Maybe. - 21/03/2010 12:23:58 AM 517 Views
Re: Major conditions - 19/03/2010 03:01:42 PM 591 Views
They don't exactly have much that they *can* give up. - 19/03/2010 10:46:35 AM 485 Views
I don't want them to give up anything more then the violience - 19/03/2010 01:55:51 PM 485 Views
That's simple enough: Israel is a first world state. - 19/03/2010 02:13:17 PM 437 Views
That is a little thin - 19/03/2010 03:27:10 PM 509 Views
Israel has been a democracy since its inception - 19/03/2010 04:01:30 PM 525 Views
Okay, two things first... - 19/03/2010 08:59:57 PM 536 Views
That's ridiculous. - 18/03/2010 06:53:40 PM 506 Views
Truly I cannot answer that. - 18/03/2010 07:00:58 PM 445 Views
It is pretty crude - 17/03/2010 11:15:28 PM 528 Views
This. Nicely put. *NM* - 18/03/2010 03:29:02 AM 203 Views
Why is recognizing a 100-year-old evil in his country's past "backing him into a corner"???? - 18/03/2010 11:41:05 AM 486 Views
The guy who has managed to face down one military coup from a sector that doesn't want it admitted? - 18/03/2010 12:39:46 PM 563 Views
Turkey's atrocities against the Kurds are what I referred to. - 18/03/2010 02:00:58 PM 521 Views
Ah, well that is a different matter - 18/03/2010 02:31:58 PM 521 Views
Why is it so hard for you people to see that the AKP are the "good guys" in Turkey? - 18/03/2010 01:44:13 PM 453 Views
There are no "good guys" in Turkey, at least not in the government. - 18/03/2010 01:57:44 PM 433 Views
Equating the two is ridiculous. - 18/03/2010 02:13:37 PM 675 Views
My issues are not with a lack of democracy and I don't equate the AKP and the military - 18/03/2010 02:35:00 PM 579 Views
The AKP is not anti-American. - 18/03/2010 03:02:00 PM 475 Views
Its better than the alternative - 18/03/2010 01:11:07 AM 614 Views
So they respond to claims of genocide with threats of ethnic cleansing? Terrible. Just terrible. - 18/03/2010 11:39:31 AM 457 Views
Nicely put *NM* - 18/03/2010 04:22:58 PM 225 Views
Money. - 18/03/2010 05:47:27 PM 418 Views
Unlikely. - 18/03/2010 08:51:28 PM 438 Views
I agree. What they are doing now only makes things worse for them - 18/03/2010 08:48:25 PM 399 Views

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