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How about permanently? Legolas Send a noteboard - 18/03/2010 09:50:46 PM
What is Palestine’s minimum demand in order to have peace? It does not seem to me that there is anything short of giving Palestine everything they want that will bring peace. Palestine lost the war (or should we say wars?) and they now need to sue for peace under reasonable terms. If they insist on fighting to the last man until they get everything they want then the last man will have no on to blame but himself. ?

One of the weird things about this conflict is that the conditions for peace are to a large extent well-known, but somehow they don't manage to get there. Of course, a lot of that has to do with simple logistics: considering the Palestinian population, any state they get has to have a certain surface even if the right of return is dropped or only gets a token concession. Additionally, the state has to have a certain territorial continuity, which means a small number of particularly badly (or strategically, depending on how you look at it) located settlements have to go. That much is obvious to everyone, I dare say; the devil is in the details, and in the matter of Jerusalem of course.

And of course, this means that at some point, Israel has to stop its tactic of conquering land piecemeal and letting the price of continued resistance rise gradually, because there comes a point where a two-state solution simply isn't realistic anymore. And at that point you either get extremely messy one-state solutions (AO favours those, but I don't think there are many people on either side who agree) - or an ethnic cleansing.
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No - 17/03/2010 06:17:50 PM 409 Views
Everyone else knows what happened.... - 17/03/2010 06:35:37 PM 451 Views
Every nation has to come to grips with the "sins of its past". - 18/03/2010 01:30:56 AM 364 Views
Erdogan is the Middle East's Chavez. *NM* - 17/03/2010 06:38:00 PM 193 Views
I think Lieberman has the better claim there. *NM* - 18/03/2010 03:39:29 AM 171 Views
Hardly. Lieberman makes sense - 18/03/2010 05:34:43 PM 338 Views
I've read some articles saying otherwise. - 18/03/2010 05:49:52 PM 388 Views
Torpedoing Biden's mission ? What a sad joke. - 18/03/2010 06:22:37 PM 346 Views
Would you like to call it something else? - 18/03/2010 06:26:34 PM 389 Views
Because Obama was looking for a way to get offended - 18/03/2010 06:54:55 PM 535 Views
Your problem is that a "settlement freeze" doesn't impress anyone at all. - 18/03/2010 07:16:55 PM 349 Views
Maybe we should just ask the Palestinians if we can keep Tel Aviv ? - 18/03/2010 07:44:07 PM 326 Views
If you want anyone to be impressed, yes. - 18/03/2010 09:03:11 PM 311 Views
How is it too much when there is a freeze ? - 18/03/2010 09:22:03 PM 385 Views
You call this a freeze? - 18/03/2010 09:43:52 PM 427 Views
Not your sourness silly. Obama's - 18/03/2010 10:15:56 PM 356 Views
Ah. - 18/03/2010 10:22:58 PM 331 Views
And you know what really annoys me ? - 18/03/2010 10:53:13 PM 398 Views
How long are supposed to stop building for? - 18/03/2010 09:32:58 PM 331 Views
How about permanently? - 18/03/2010 09:50:46 PM 393 Views
I don't think i agree that the condidtions for peace or that well known - 19/03/2010 04:32:37 AM 307 Views
Major conditions - 19/03/2010 09:59:37 AM 359 Views
Re: Major conditions - 19/03/2010 01:26:54 PM 355 Views
Seriously, what conflict are you looking at? - 19/03/2010 01:56:24 PM 489 Views
Re: Seriously, what conflict are you looking at? - 19/03/2010 04:47:07 PM 346 Views
Ah, good point there... I was kinda thinking of the West. - 19/03/2010 08:31:11 PM 377 Views
well I wasn't talking about how anyone treated but who was making the decisions - 19/03/2010 09:24:47 PM 422 Views
That really isn't a very useful observation at this point, though. - 19/03/2010 09:32:30 PM 327 Views
Man, your analysis is weird - 20/03/2010 11:24:40 AM 621 Views
I'm a bit confused what you're saying exactly... - 20/03/2010 04:10:14 PM 369 Views
How so ? - 20/03/2010 11:04:30 PM 317 Views
It was over because Israel wanted it to be over. - 20/03/2010 11:24:33 PM 346 Views
Maybe. - 21/03/2010 12:23:58 AM 424 Views
Re: Major conditions - 19/03/2010 03:01:42 PM 478 Views
They don't exactly have much that they *can* give up. - 19/03/2010 10:46:35 AM 377 Views
I don't want them to give up anything more then the violience - 19/03/2010 01:55:51 PM 371 Views
That's simple enough: Israel is a first world state. - 19/03/2010 02:13:17 PM 335 Views
That is a little thin - 19/03/2010 03:27:10 PM 418 Views
Israel has been a democracy since its inception - 19/03/2010 04:01:30 PM 422 Views
Okay, two things first... - 19/03/2010 08:59:57 PM 427 Views
That's ridiculous. - 18/03/2010 06:53:40 PM 409 Views
Truly I cannot answer that. - 18/03/2010 07:00:58 PM 326 Views
It is pretty crude - 17/03/2010 11:15:28 PM 420 Views
This. Nicely put. *NM* - 18/03/2010 03:29:02 AM 158 Views
Why is recognizing a 100-year-old evil in his country's past "backing him into a corner"???? - 18/03/2010 11:41:05 AM 387 Views
The guy who has managed to face down one military coup from a sector that doesn't want it admitted? - 18/03/2010 12:39:46 PM 456 Views
Turkey's atrocities against the Kurds are what I referred to. - 18/03/2010 02:00:58 PM 381 Views
Ah, well that is a different matter - 18/03/2010 02:31:58 PM 423 Views
Why is it so hard for you people to see that the AKP are the "good guys" in Turkey? - 18/03/2010 01:44:13 PM 338 Views
There are no "good guys" in Turkey, at least not in the government. - 18/03/2010 01:57:44 PM 323 Views
Equating the two is ridiculous. - 18/03/2010 02:13:37 PM 505 Views
My issues are not with a lack of democracy and I don't equate the AKP and the military - 18/03/2010 02:35:00 PM 451 Views
The AKP is not anti-American. - 18/03/2010 03:02:00 PM 357 Views
Its better than the alternative - 18/03/2010 01:11:07 AM 492 Views
So they respond to claims of genocide with threats of ethnic cleansing? Terrible. Just terrible. - 18/03/2010 11:39:31 AM 360 Views
Nicely put *NM* - 18/03/2010 04:22:58 PM 168 Views
Money. - 18/03/2010 05:47:27 PM 322 Views
Unlikely. - 18/03/2010 08:51:28 PM 338 Views
I agree. What they are doing now only makes things worse for them - 18/03/2010 08:48:25 PM 296 Views

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