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Ah, good point there... I was kinda thinking of the West. Legolas Send a noteboard - 19/03/2010 08:31:11 PM
Uh, Legolas? Germany lost East Prussia, West Prussia, Silesia, most of Pomerania and part of Brandenburg, and a good chunk of what remained was under the Soviet Union's thumb for decades. Add that to the violent ethnic cleansing of the lost German territories and the murder of German POWs in concentration camps along the Rhine, and I wouldn't say that Germany was treated with the kid gloves that you claim it was.

And of the way the US and its allies acted - I have a feeling he was too, considering he named Germany and Japan in the same breath (while we're at it, one could argue that the part of Sakhalin that Japan lost to the Soviet Union was a part of their "own territory", I suppose). But yes, good point, they did lose a good chunk of territory in the east - like I said, I was thinking of how it worked in West-Germany.
I'm not trying to start a debate of whether or not Germany deserved it, just pointing out that defeated Germany wasn't treated QUITE as gently as you claim :P

Yes, you're quite right, embarrassing gaffe on my part.
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