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You should delve the debate before getting excited. Joel Send a noteboard - 23/03/2010 07:22:36 AM
I won't take the debate (I simply don't have the time), but I will say this makes me happy for you. America is actually moving in the direction of what I (in my warped, Scandinavian brain, obviously) think of as a civilised country. I did not think that would ever happen.

They tell me Norway has no private health insurance, not because it's illegal, but because there's no market. Making it illegal for an American NOT to buy private health insurance is a far cry from universal healthcare. This doesn't provide care to anyone, it obligates them to provide it for themselves (per the traditional American bootstrap levitation. ) Families earning <$88k/year are eligible for government subsidies that may or may not cover the entire cost, but health insurance will still be private, and the rates will still be set by private insurance carriers.

That's a big problem, because the motive to healthcare reform for several decades has been that costs are rising at a double digit annual percentage (several times the rate elsewhere in the industrialized world) and because they've been doing so for so long existing costs are already exorbitant. Virtually nothing in this bill addresses its primary motivation. The only thing that comes close are insurance "exchanges" in each state, but all those do is (hopefully) remedy the common practice of state legislatures granting a given insurer a monopoly over the states residents. The OTHER bill the House passed, headed for a non-filibustered Senate vote in a few days, would require federal approval for large rate hikes, but apart from that there are no cost controls. None. Not one. But every adult in the country is still required to pay those costs. Again, to give an idea of how expensive that will be, the subsidies to families earning <$88k/year will cost taxpayers $900 BILLION. Another way to look at that is that the private insurers gorging on American illness just had $900 billion dropped in their laps by federal law. Plus whatever it costs people who don't have insurance now but also earn too much to qualify for a subsidy, and plus whatever it costs ABOVE the subsidy for those who do qualify.

Healthcare is rapidly reaching a point where it will consume Americas GDP, because everyone needs it and there's little to no government regulation to either guarantee minimal coverage or limit costs. That, not charity, is the real incentive to legislating reform. Unfortunately, this bill accomplishes next to nothing toward that goal, and may actually exacerbate the problem by ensuring over a trillion dollars in additional revenue for an already ravenous industry.
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No posts on the bill passing? - 22/03/2010 08:22:27 AM 1449 Views
Meh - 22/03/2010 09:07:27 AM 787 Views
Re: Meh - 22/03/2010 01:53:43 PM 807 Views
I know what you mean. I love hearing that the "majority" are against this. - 22/03/2010 01:57:15 PM 897 Views
surveys are crap anyways. - 22/03/2010 01:59:39 PM 739 Views
That's ignorance speaking. - 22/03/2010 02:02:46 PM 766 Views
well yah. Sorry, I wasn't meaning to say surveys as a whole are nonsense - 22/03/2010 02:09:42 PM 692 Views
Some are a plurality, some are a majority.... - 22/03/2010 04:01:56 PM 816 Views
But most of them with a high/low don't go into enough detail - 22/03/2010 09:24:29 PM 867 Views
A question? - 23/03/2010 01:11:07 AM 792 Views
I accept that there are situations where leaders must go against popular opinion - 23/03/2010 02:53:00 AM 824 Views
on the other hand *edited stupid spelling error* - 23/03/2010 03:09:47 AM 932 Views
On a certain level I do agree with you - 23/03/2010 05:14:24 AM 753 Views
I was thinking about this after posting - 23/03/2010 12:12:17 PM 739 Views
Ahahahahahahahaha - 23/03/2010 12:57:17 PM 882 Views
why? *NM* - 23/03/2010 03:37:00 PM 383 Views
Because "populous" is not a noun in English. *NM* - 23/03/2010 03:42:16 PM 364 Views
This. - 23/03/2010 03:46:25 PM 796 Views
damn you phonetics. - 23/03/2010 03:50:33 PM 1059 Views
As Emo Philips would say - 23/03/2010 04:32:52 PM 819 Views
I always laugh when I see someone say people are "retarted" *NM* - 23/03/2010 03:51:46 PM 439 Views
"Get a life, morans!" *NM* - 23/03/2010 03:55:27 PM 373 Views
I think this is one of them - 23/03/2010 12:49:35 PM 1241 Views
A step in the wrong direction. - 22/03/2010 10:38:31 AM 914 Views
didn't realize it had - 22/03/2010 11:49:36 AM 751 Views
I am happy for it - 22/03/2010 11:55:10 AM 743 Views
The Bill passed? - 22/03/2010 12:27:36 PM 859 Views
I think with the saturation coverage it has been getting people are just worn out *NM* - 22/03/2010 01:27:59 PM 398 Views
hollah that. *NM* - 22/03/2010 01:58:47 PM 338 Views
Yes. - 22/03/2010 02:38:03 PM 759 Views
Re: No posts on the bill passing? - 22/03/2010 01:39:14 PM 772 Views
I chose to read about it first at the NYT, then the WSJ, then the Economist. - 22/03/2010 01:43:07 PM 954 Views
Re: I chose to read about it first at the NYT, then the WSJ, then the Economist. - 22/03/2010 02:01:07 PM 767 Views
The Bill won't get repealed. Whatever happens in November. - 23/03/2010 12:17:21 AM 777 Views
There are 18 incumbent Dem Senate seats; 41+18<67. - 29/03/2010 11:15:29 AM 786 Views
I am worried. The official reports show that it will actually erase some debt. But . . . - 22/03/2010 01:39:26 PM 872 Views
I think reform had to start now. - 22/03/2010 02:27:11 PM 965 Views
That's a good column. - 22/03/2010 02:44:56 PM 850 Views
I think the problem highlight what I don't like about this bill - 22/03/2010 03:20:54 PM 788 Views
Re: I think the problem highlight what I don't like about this bill - 22/03/2010 03:33:31 PM 752 Views
Let's be realistic here at least.... - 22/03/2010 04:16:23 PM 754 Views
I hope your house is built on fimrer foundations then your reasoning - 22/03/2010 04:25:49 PM 794 Views
I'm not worried, there are lots of ways to pay for the bill. - 22/03/2010 05:36:39 PM 705 Views
You should worry about cost control (AKA the only real reason for healthcare reform to begin. ) - 23/03/2010 07:02:24 AM 887 Views
bingo - 24/03/2010 03:45:48 AM 908 Views
Next question: WTF do we do about it? - 24/03/2010 04:00:39 AM 782 Views
sadly probably not a damned thing... - 24/03/2010 04:20:45 AM 754 Views
I worry the day is coming when the Bastille is stormed. - 29/03/2010 11:06:31 AM 860 Views
It is a good start - 22/03/2010 03:01:08 PM 738 Views
Re: It is a good start - 22/03/2010 04:13:28 PM 717 Views
Heh - 22/03/2010 04:21:22 PM 812 Views
Re: Heh - 22/03/2010 04:32:30 PM 753 Views
Re: Heh - 22/03/2010 08:25:05 PM 817 Views
Sorry, I was out seizing the means of production. *NM* - 22/03/2010 07:43:19 PM 328 Views
You should delve the debate before getting excited. - 23/03/2010 07:22:36 AM 850 Views
I really like what GRR Martin wrote in his blog. - 23/03/2010 09:55:11 AM 873 Views
I agree with him - 23/03/2010 12:14:47 PM 783 Views
I would say it is rather weak point - 23/03/2010 01:12:43 PM 773 Views
Erm... - 23/03/2010 01:39:58 PM 878 Views
I am pleasantly surprised - 23/03/2010 04:14:52 PM 699 Views
Exceptions? - 24/03/2010 05:08:17 AM 711 Views
I haven't been following it too closely - 23/03/2010 02:10:39 PM 920 Views

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