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I worry the day is coming when the Bastille is stormed. Joel Send a noteboard - 29/03/2010 11:06:31 AM
you are absolutely right. Obama made Wall Street and the banking industry richer and now he has done the same for insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies (stocks also up sharply since Monday's opening bell). Will real cost control happen? Not until the entire country turns into California. The only silver lining for me is that I will likely be tucked in to my permanent dirt nap before the bill finally comes due. You, my friend, won't be so lucky.

It's sad things so often have to come to that, not least because there's usually a lot of collateral damage by people driven past the point of rationality (see Robespierre, Maximillian and Stack, Joe. ) As things stand the whole country remains well on the way toward the same problems CA is having (as with utility deregulation, CA may be a microcosm of the nation as a whole. ) This bill will only accelerate that, since it puts the federal government on the hook for skyrocketing insurance premiums the whole country is now legally obligated to endure. From that perspective the best case scenario may be that since rates will continue to rise well above the rate of inflation, more and more people will decide it's cheaper to pay the "uninsured tax" than premiums only marginally offset by subsidies (IF you qualify. ) We hear talk of how wrong "government control of 1/6 of the economy" is, but no one ever stops to consider what it means that rapidly rising healthcare costs are ALREADY 1/6 of the economy. Put another way, healthcare already costs the nations consumer-taxpayers twice as much as the federal government, and the cost continues rising at an alarming rate.

For me, personally, the best course by far seems to be moving to a country where private health insurance is legal but unmarketable due to federal insurance that covers everyones healthcare as part of taxpayer funded government service. It's perplexing that such places are held up as examples of how wrong government insurance is on the grounds that it works SO well only an idiot would by private insurance. That's a real epic failure (of intellect. ) Granted, I'd rather have a system more like the Brits where non-essential care is only covered by private insurance than one in which taxpayers finance every elective procedure, but if I have to choose between the latter and millions going without critical care, it's a no brainer.

So you're looking forward to being gone in 50 years and I'm trying to leave; wtf happened to this country? Tell me again how we reconcile "Christian family values" with insatiable greed. Understand, I'm not asking for a defense or endorsement of either, just an intellectual exercise in how they can be wed.
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surveys are crap anyways. - 22/03/2010 01:59:39 PM 602 Views
That's ignorance speaking. - 22/03/2010 02:02:46 PM 629 Views
well yah. Sorry, I wasn't meaning to say surveys as a whole are nonsense - 22/03/2010 02:09:42 PM 563 Views
Some are a plurality, some are a majority.... - 22/03/2010 04:01:56 PM 690 Views
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on the other hand *edited stupid spelling error* - 23/03/2010 03:09:47 AM 804 Views
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Because "populous" is not a noun in English. *NM* - 23/03/2010 03:42:16 PM 311 Views
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damn you phonetics. - 23/03/2010 03:50:33 PM 913 Views
As Emo Philips would say - 23/03/2010 04:32:52 PM 685 Views
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The Bill passed? - 22/03/2010 12:27:36 PM 710 Views
I think with the saturation coverage it has been getting people are just worn out *NM* - 22/03/2010 01:27:59 PM 335 Views
hollah that. *NM* - 22/03/2010 01:58:47 PM 272 Views
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Re: No posts on the bill passing? - 22/03/2010 01:39:14 PM 636 Views
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Re: I chose to read about it first at the NYT, then the WSJ, then the Economist. - 22/03/2010 02:01:07 PM 626 Views
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Sorry, I was out seizing the means of production. *NM* - 22/03/2010 07:43:19 PM 270 Views
You should delve the debate before getting excited. - 23/03/2010 07:22:36 AM 714 Views
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