Take out WWI, and the Soviet Union never comes about. Hitler never comes to power. No WWII. Nuclear weapons aren't invented (or at the least, delayed). No Holocaust. No Korean War, no Vietnam War. You basically take out a bunch of the bad stuff of the past 90-odd years just by taking out WWI.
It's the problem of history, really; redrawing Europes map in the wake of the Napoleonic Wars, and a century of dancing around the consequences to avoid another major war, made some form of the Great War inevitable. The pressure was never relieved, it just built with each attempt to contain it, until it exploded.
Without the Great War the tensions that led to the Bolshevik Revolution are still present; they'd been festering in Russia for some time before 1914, already having resulted in the assassination of a Czar and the exile of Lenin well before war broke out in Europe. That comes to a head sooner or later, too; the absence of the Great War might mean the White Army wins the Russian civil war due to greater Western aid, but the problems remain, and the fact is Russia was plenty autocratic even before Stalin, so the same Cold War might have resulted, only slightly mitigated by the debt the Czars owed the west for keeping them on the throne. And, yeah, nuclear weapons are just the inevitable march of science; had America not used them it's entirely possible WWII would've lasted long enough for Japan to develop them, a big game changer.
The thing is, though, that WWI caused a lot of these things to happen sooner. While they still might have happened, WWI was the powder keg that set them off.
Had the problems been addressed, seriously and fairly addressed, after 1848 the Great War might have been avoided. Until that happened some form of large scale conflict among all the injured and injuring parties was just a matter of time, but sometimes that timing is important. Imagine it had been delayed until the '30s, or the '40s, or the '50s. Trench warfare, chemical warfare, artillery and machine guns directed at the "human waves" these are all terrible--but what if we delay it until the atom is split...?
Maybe it WAS inevitable; Europe DID manage German and Italian integration before the Great War, but the problems stemming from the first Islamic military push across the Bosporus remained (and largely still do, which is the biggest reason I think admitting Turkey to the EU before dealing with them is, to use a term now associated with an earlier form of the same conflict, "MADNESS!" ) The Sick Man was a well known problem in Europe long before the Great War, but the solution was less well known.
If all this was delayed greatly, then there might have been a war greater than WWI. Then humanity might have been in real trouble then.
I'm not strange. I'm normal. Everyone else is strange.
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I know I just did a survey, but this was too good to pass up.
- 07/04/2010 12:44:15 AM
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Myself: World War I.
- 07/04/2010 12:45:57 AM
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I don't think it's that simple.
- 07/04/2010 12:57:16 AM
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I see your point.
- 07/04/2010 01:02:33 AM
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Sometimes sooner is better than later.
- 07/04/2010 01:10:11 AM
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True.
- 07/04/2010 01:14:45 AM
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True, one might even say *adding* a war there would've improved things.
- 07/04/2010 01:36:07 AM
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Re: True, one might even say *adding* a war there would've improved things.
- 07/04/2010 10:48:49 AM
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I had a teacher with an interesting theory related to that
- 07/04/2010 12:57:49 AM
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Well, at this time, it was pretty well accepted that Russia wasn't exactly a techinical power.
- 07/04/2010 01:04:35 AM
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The Plague
- 07/04/2010 12:52:33 AM
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Re: The Plague
- 07/04/2010 01:05:35 AM
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He must be talking about a different plague, but I'm not sure which one, either. *NM*
- 07/04/2010 01:37:32 AM
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Maybe; there were episodic plague epidemics before and after that time.
- 07/04/2010 02:05:18 AM
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I am talking about one of the plagues not THE plague
- 07/04/2010 02:50:25 AM
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Re: I am talking about one of the plagues not THE plague
- 07/04/2010 08:45:26 PM
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I'm so glad you have the time and inclination to type up these replies.
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- 08/04/2010 07:09:22 AM
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*NM*
- 08/04/2010 07:09:22 AM
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...?
- 08/04/2010 07:51:14 PM
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Sounds like he was thanking you for saving him the effort of writing a similar reply. *NM*
- 08/04/2010 09:28:55 PM
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OK, think this one's been pretty thoroughly covered in my absence.
- 13/04/2010 11:51:16 AM
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- 13/04/2010 11:51:16 AM
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The spread of Christianity
- 07/04/2010 12:55:29 AM
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Re: The spread of Christianity
- 08/04/2010 09:29:17 AM
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But wasn't Christianity the inspiration for a whole era of art? *NM*
- 08/04/2010 01:41:34 PM
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Re: But wasn't Christianity the inspiration for a whole era of art?
- 08/04/2010 01:44:36 PM
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The product of Christian inspiration was heavily Hellenistic in origin...
- 08/04/2010 07:54:12 PM
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The destruction of the Great Library.
- 07/04/2010 01:02:59 AM
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Internet spam sucks indeed.
- 07/04/2010 01:08:23 AM
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We'll never know; makes for fascinating speculative fiction.
- 07/04/2010 01:13:49 AM
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This whole topic is wild, it's something I sometimes think about.
- 07/04/2010 01:17:50 AM
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"Joel captures Alexandria! The Great Library is destroyed!" *NM*
- 07/04/2010 01:08:35 AM
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It's crazy to think that the human knowledge base doubles every 2 years...
- 07/04/2010 08:49:28 PM
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Literacy and communication have literally made a world of difference.
- 13/04/2010 09:25:45 AM
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if the giant meteor hadn't destroyed the dinosaurs...
- 07/04/2010 01:10:42 AM
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"FOR" global warming? Now there's a phrase I never thought I'd here!
- 07/04/2010 01:16:04 AM
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The spread of Islam
- 07/04/2010 01:26:11 AM
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oh aren't you clever. *NM*
- 07/04/2010 01:47:13 AM
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There's such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons, though I'm not sure he is.
- 07/04/2010 02:12:14 AM
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Wikipedia is of course not a scholarly source, but all the same...
- 07/04/2010 11:57:01 AM
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Fair enough.
- 07/04/2010 12:51:16 PM
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Re: The spread of Islam
- 08/04/2010 09:24:31 AM
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I...do not know.
- 07/04/2010 07:18:13 AM
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A lot of times, you change one thing, and everything changes- even the things you don't think about.
- 07/04/2010 12:26:51 PM
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Amusing that the underlying expectation seems to be more along political history lines
- 07/04/2010 12:56:49 PM
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Here's one that'll be more to your liking...
- 08/04/2010 10:40:53 AM
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Re: Here's one that'll be more to your liking...
- 08/04/2010 11:58:27 AM
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Uh...
- 08/04/2010 12:11:14 PM
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Re: Uh...
- 08/04/2010 12:15:20 PM
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The Devil is always in the details
- 08/04/2010 12:29:25 PM
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- 08/04/2010 12:29:25 PM
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Re: The Devil is always in the details
- 08/04/2010 12:32:34 PM
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- 08/04/2010 12:32:34 PM
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Not really
- 08/04/2010 01:07:57 PM
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Re: Not really
- 08/04/2010 01:10:16 PM
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Only to a degree
- 08/04/2010 01:27:22 PM
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Re: Only to a degree
- 08/04/2010 01:30:12 PM
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I was into cultural and religious history
- 08/04/2010 01:38:24 PM
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Re: I was into cultural and religious history
- 08/04/2010 01:41:31 PM
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Ha!
- 08/04/2010 01:49:23 PM
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- 08/04/2010 01:49:23 PM
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Re: Ha!
- 08/04/2010 01:51:28 PM
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- 08/04/2010 01:51:28 PM
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Since, surprisingly, no one's pointed it out yet, prehistory/=history.
- 13/04/2010 09:52:19 AM
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Re: I know I just did a survey, but this was too good to pass up.
- 07/04/2010 09:04:02 PM
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Science getting on the ball in the 40's and making superhumans *NM*
- 08/04/2010 05:31:34 AM
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The spread of peanut butter and jelly.
- 08/04/2010 07:12:21 AM
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I think two spreads that would be better to eliminate would be marmite and vegemite (sp).
- 08/04/2010 05:30:26 PM
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The head of [Roman Catholic] Christianity.
- 08/04/2010 07:15:21 AM
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You completely missed the "pick 1" part of the question, didn't you? *NM*
- 08/04/2010 09:26:23 AM
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Well, techinically, I never said that you couldn't make multible posts, each discussing 1 thing. *NM*
- 08/04/2010 05:36:37 PM
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I'm fairly sure he was just mocking someone's earlier post "just thought it would be interesting..." *NM*
- 08/04/2010 08:06:56 PM
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I'm pretty sure of that too. *NM*
- 08/04/2010 08:33:46 PM
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