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Since, surprisingly, no one's pointed it out yet, prehistory/=history. Joel Send a noteboard - 13/04/2010 09:52:19 AM
I saw this on a YouTube video and wanted to ask you guys.

If you could change 1 thing in history, what would you change, and how do you think that that would affect things?


Although a few have facetiously mentioned religious history shifts and one on the plague.

Well, you could look at tools and wonder what would have happened to homo habilis without tools or homo erectus without fire, I suppose. Or consider what if horses, donkeys, and camels had been butchered for food or had been wiped out due to climate change, as what occurred in the Americas 10,000 years ago? If they and cows and oxen, the so-called beasts of burden, did not exist in the Eastern Hemisphere, what would have happened then? Or conversely, what if such animals had remained extant in the Americas? Would I have then inherited a mutated gene that would allow me to process bovine milk after the age of 4-5?

The game of "what if" I suppose is fun, but it's more fun when such queries are then turned around and applied to what did transpire.

If we play that game this turns into All Good Things, and even if that's still my favorite TNG episode, it's hard enough to extrapolate alternate history when we have reliable records of events. When we get into anthropology rather than pure history we're forced to hope events have been accurately reconstructed without the benefit of first hand witnesses and THEN speculate on the outcome had events played out differently.

That's not to say the more challenging task isn't worthwhile, but it's not really "history" in the accepted sense, is it? ;) I concede the world would be very different without the emergence of the first eukaryotes, but that happened so long ago and is so poorly documented that the effects would be impossible to predict with any certainty, however interesting they are to consider. "Awww... see what you did? :[ "
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