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Interesting post. It seems like a surprisingly big thing to have such controversies about... Legolas Send a noteboard - 07/05/2017 11:17:27 AM

View original postRecently, I’ve read quite a bit about the Second World War. I’ve been intrigued by the idea that is now called on Wikipedia the “Soviet Offensive Plans Controversy”, though there really isn’t much controversy in my opinion.

Don't know much about it, thanks for the recap.
View original postAs a result, looking at “Soviet Offensive Plans Controversy” on Wikipedia shows a skewed set of assertions that can only be called “fake news” in the present day. It states that Suvorov’s claims are “generally discounted according to David M. Glantz”. How convenient that Glantz, taking it upon himself to speak for all of academia, has let us know that the claims are discredited. Reading further in the article, one can see that in fact, Glantz is the foremost opponent of the theory but that others have accepted it in whole or in part, and with new Soviet documents being declassified from time to time, the notion that Stalin was planning an invasion is gaining support, not losing it. Furthermore, looking at the “Chat” tab of the article, it is clear that there is a lot of pushback from people who don’t like the position of the editor for the page, who appears to be a supporter of Glantz.

I've noticed before that Wikipedia articles on sensitive topics tend to become a delicately negotiated compromise between a number of active contributors a number of years ago, which is then basically frozen with all attempts to significantly alter it one way or the other reversed. The problem being that those contributors weren't necessarily representative to begin with, so the version being carefully preserved can in some cases be far from a balanced representation of the academic debate, and become even less so as new elements appear which aren't included.

Though it's not that easy to see how they could handle things in a better way, without violating the general idea of an encyclopedia to which everyone can contribute. Generally speaking, I mean, not for this topic in particular.


View original postI’m certainly not a scientist, but seeing what is being done, and having read enough primary sources to draw my own conclusions, I see what has been done to a host of historians. I therefore find it not hard at all to believe that other "scientific" discussions with political consequences are likewise being shut down by threats and bullying. Is there universal consensus on climate change and projections as to what will happen in the future? Did psychiatrists freely decide to reclassify gender identity disorder as just another part of normal sexuality in 2013? I don’t know. I realize that because homosexuality was defined as a “disorder” until at least the early 1990s psychiatrists have been on the defensive with respect to sexual disorders. I also know that temperatures today are warmer than in the 1980s.

I first came across this kind of thing in college when writing a paper about Haifa during the war of 1948, and the events leading up to it. The debates between pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian historians in academic articles sometimes break down into not just strongly worded rejections and attacks, but direct personal insults. Kind of interesting to see things like that in supposedly scientific journals.

The difference, perhaps, is that in that case both camps have considerable resources on their side, at least on a global level even if there may be a strong bias in one direction or the other in individual countries. So you don't really get a dominant narrative crushing dissent, you just get two (or really more than two) clashing camps, where even historians who aim for neutrality find it almost impossible to avoid being drawn or pushed towards the one or the other side.

View original postAt the same time, I see even in books that support the notion of global warming statements about world temperatures before the Little Ice Age indicating that they were higher than they are today. If Norway was able to support viniculture then temperatures were pretty warm. As an aside, does anyone know if Norway produces wine now? Also, I wonder and worry if the transgender label isn’t being used to win victim status, or being overapplied to people who are just genuinely confused or have actual disorders.

It does produce wine from what I can find, but it's mentioned as a recent and fairly small-scale thing.

The thing about the global warming controversy, for me, is that a lot of the most charged debate is on points which, practically speaking, don't matter all that much. Comparing to previous points in Earth's lifetime, for instance - yeah, temperatures and CO2 concentrations have been much higher in the past than now. Perhaps it's true that global warming isn't entirely anthropogenic, with things like solar cycles playing a role as well.

But surely the basic point is very simply that Earth is rapidly warming now with climate patterns shifting. It certainly won't destroy the planet, or even wipe out humanity, but it will dramatically affect agricultural production in many places, water availability, and even the existence of whole islands and stretches of coastline (even if it may also create new opportunities in other places - such as the wine in Norway). And that cutting back CO2 emissions will at least slow down those trends, which is a lot more feasible than just letting it happen and solving all the resulting problems separately. Because that would involve challenges to the tune of resettling hundreds of millions if not billions of people, and in addition to the staggering costs involved, it seems somewhat optimistic to imagine that this could be done in a non-violent way.

View original postThe point is that there’s probably never a point where academia stops being political unless it’s investigating something totally new (like figuring out the grammar of the Eblaite language or excavating a new tomb in Egypt).

True, though there are different gradations - on politically neutral topics like physics, you still have the 'political' dynamics which you described, where new ideas and perspectives may be discouraged by the established authors who want to defend their career's work. But that's just internal politics, and doesn't threaten to bias the outcomes too much in the longer run. Unlike the topics which are politically charged, or become so due to their ramifications on existing debates.
View original postI also understand that it's useless wasting time on nutjobs who come out of the woodwork (just type in "anunnaki" in Google and see the craziness begin). However, I'm getting much more skeptical about information in general, and not just news.

You can look at it optimistically and say that with the internet and the democratization of information through Wikipedia and the like, it's become easier for people to see and promote the existence of multiple different viewpoints on topics whereas a few decades they would've just heard the one dominant take, unless they were really closely involved. But on the downside, most people don't really have all that much time to spend on thoroughly investigating all sides of a topic, or inclination to, so they often just pick a side and ignore all others. Being skeptical is a good thing, as long as you're consistent about it and not only applying it to 'the other side', I'd say.

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Churchill was correct - 06/05/2017 01:43:16 AM 397 Views
Good post Tom..very interesting. I too find myself more and more skeptical of information these days *NM* - 06/05/2017 04:42:55 AM 232 Views
yes. exactly. *NM* - 09/05/2017 09:23:06 PM 183 Views
Agreed on both points - 06/05/2017 03:37:26 PM 512 Views
Suvorov thought the Soviet main attack would be in the far north and south - 06/05/2017 07:06:16 PM 410 Views
Re: Suvorov thought the Soviet main attack would be in the far north and south - 07/05/2017 06:55:41 PM 503 Views
You are right on all accounts - 08/05/2017 04:48:50 PM 402 Views
Interesting post. It seems like a surprisingly big thing to have such controversies about... - 07/05/2017 11:17:27 AM 459 Views
I disagree on the global warming "solution" - 16/05/2017 05:19:08 AM 352 Views
I see what you mean on the 'religious fit' part, yes. - 16/05/2017 06:33:40 PM 359 Views
It doesn't make sense to rein in CO2 emissions, though - 17/05/2017 04:06:07 AM 443 Views
Was it Bjorn Lomborg? - 16/05/2017 06:56:43 PM 351 Views
I've read a little bit on this subject too. - 07/05/2017 03:24:44 PM 421 Views
Interesting read and topic - Questions - 07/05/2017 06:29:08 PM 385 Views
Re: Interesting read and topic - Questions - 07/05/2017 08:48:59 PM 434 Views
^ What he said *NM* - 16/05/2017 05:19:53 AM 196 Views
Phh! That's a relatively minor issue - 08/05/2017 03:26:55 AM 496 Views
It's long past time to start looking at that period rationally - 16/05/2017 05:28:36 AM 310 Views
To a large extent I agree - 17/05/2017 02:36:20 AM 467 Views

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