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I see what you mean on the 'religious fit' part, yes. Legolas Send a noteboard - 16/05/2017 06:33:40 PM

View original postThere was a great TED talk (I'm not usually a fan - this was an exception) where the speaker went through the expected cost and disruption of all the batshit crazy ways people think they can cut down on emissions, including the thoroughly discredited carbon exchange. This includes the lost jobs, the social disruption, the direct costs, etc. It was staggering.

You have a link? The cost depends of course on how radically you want to bring down emissions - some targets may be unrealistically expensive, sure.

But 'some people will have a shitty life' seems like a pretty optimistic view of the havoc that climate change can wreak, considering that people who 'have a shitty life' generally aren't content to sit back and suffer in silence, certainly not when this is a direct consequence of the actions of other countries. If certain parts of the US become significantly less attractive to live in due to water shortages, declining agricultural returns, increased flooding, etc., it's still relatively feasible, though still disruptive, for the people affected to move to other regions within the US in large numbers. But when all or most of a country suffers such effects, and we need to look at relocation on a huge scale to other countries... that's a lot trickier.

As I was trying to say, I agree with you to some extent about the idee fixes of some of the left, their apparent refusal to consider that climate really does change also without human interference and their notion that somehow the climate as it was until recently is the natural one and everything else is a catastrophe. But nevertheless, it's clear that the climate IS changing and that this will have very significant consequences with very significant cost impacts. And it's also clear that there is a clear correlation between CO2 levels and global temperatures, hence it certainly makes sense to take major steps to rein back CO2 emissions.

Whether truly painful, radical changes are justified, the kind that cuts your GDP growth back by several percentage points per year, let's say, that may be up for debate, yes. But the steps advocated by the political mainstream left are nowhere near that level (obviously there may be radical groups who do advocate it).


View original postNot only that, but I'm seeing a lot more talk about the possibility that the world is starting to go into a global cooling process, and that we didn't affect things as much as we might think (or even hope, in some perverse ways). Like I said, temperatures were higher in the Middle Ages than they are today, and the 230-250 year cycle is set to change based on when the last Little Ice Age ended. The Little Ice Age caused massive disruption, too, but people blamed that on their sins, not on their emissions. Of course, the way Leftists talk about hydrocarbons we can be forgiven for thinking they're in a religious fit about cutting emissions.

The Little Ice Age certainly caused massive disruption too, but I'm not sure why that's a reason to not try to limit the disruption now, now that we can actually measure it and have a clue on how to limit it.
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