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No I can't argue against a negative Roland00 Send a noteboard - 11/05/2017 04:45:18 AM

No I can't argue against a negative

I can't prove Donald Trump is honest, nor can I prove he is dishonest.

Asking me to prove a negative is like asking me to prove god exists or a flying spaghetti monster created humanity.

Yes Tom lots of motivated reasoning going on with both sides of the aisle. That is because there is an absence of facts, and without facts to tie down the evidence you get motivated reasoning for this is human nature and this is how human beings try to guess the future in the absence of evidence.

Leap of faiths, tribalism, religion, whatever you want to call it, is it not deductive logic but instead inductive projection.

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Humor me though

All I can give is slanted hypotheticals until more facts are assembled.

Part A) Here is a fact, the week prior to the firing Comey asked for more money to for the russian investigation

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/us/politics/comey-russia-investigation-fbi.html


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And these are not facts but they are close enough to be facts for they may be facts in reality, but I can't validate B and C due to anonymous sources, but the reporters who are reporting these anonymous sources could themselves validate B and C

Part B) The attorney general and Trump according to sources have been wanting to fire Comey for about a week now.

Speculation for B) Why a week we do not know,

Speculation B1) but a week earlier he asked for more money for the FBI in a specific investigation tied to russia.

Speculation B2) a week ago Comey talked before Congress on May 3, Wednesday. So something he said at this congress hearing may have convinced Trump to fire Comey.

Part C) Once again anonymous sources so I can't verify it personally and I just have to take the reporter's word and put my faith in his credibility. But supposedly according to CNN's John King, a journalist who is chief national correspondent for CNN as well as the host of several CNN shows, well King talked to an anonymous source that Donald Trump often talks with over the weekend as a friend who is not tied directly to politics. (We know for a fact that Donald Trump likes to shoot the breeze with dozens of these people.)

Supposedly last weekend Donald Trump was white hot when talking over the phone with one of his friends and he was talking about Russia, Russia, Russia even though at the time the friend did not understand why he was not taking pride in the US House passing their Health Care bill on Thursday of last week.

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Two Standards

More Stringent Standard


Tom you are a lawyer so you should understand how big of deal motivated reasoning is, for it is the key part of reasonable doubt where you must argue against what the jury's motivated reasoning is and they must demonstrate guilt beyond a reasonable interpretation and the amount of evidence must be overwhelming.

So we may not have enough evidence to convict Donald Trump right now.

Lesser of Two Standards

But there is another legal standard. Is there enough evidence that a normal prosecutor would start dedicating resources into the matter and start trying to collect potential witnesses, dedicate manpower and man hours, and so on into investigating this matter and building a theoretical case? Eventually a grand jury and subpoenas would be created and so on. Is there enough evidence and enough motivated reasoning that a prosecutor would consider building a case against Donald Trump.

In my personal opinion the answer to this lesser standard is yes.

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Comey was fired today.. - 10/05/2017 05:41:17 AM 1026 Views
The firing as such is one thing, but the timing raises major question marks. - 10/05/2017 07:29:57 AM 403 Views
What question marks? I know that is the talking point but they stop there - 10/05/2017 05:24:59 PM 300 Views
It doesn't necessarily have to be about Trump personally. - 10/05/2017 08:13:12 PM 442 Views
There is zero evidence that Flynn colluded with the Russians on the campaign - 10/05/2017 09:36:20 PM 311 Views
Aren't you confusing several things? - 11/05/2017 07:16:21 PM 278 Views
Agreed on all points. *NM* - 11/05/2017 04:26:32 PM 206 Views
I read he found out by seeing it on the news. - 10/05/2017 08:42:28 AM 438 Views
I heard he found out because he's one of Trump's twitter followers *NM* - 10/05/2017 01:58:10 PM 185 Views
I've seen it now. - 10/05/2017 10:11:59 PM 297 Views
I read that too - 10/05/2017 02:18:29 PM 439 Views
He was speaking on the west coast, at a FBI event - 11/05/2017 04:48:32 AM 307 Views
Mitch McConnell isn't worried, so I'm sure it's fine. *NM* - 10/05/2017 03:53:58 PM 219 Views
Sarcasm aside, have you seen even a shred of evidence that it was improper? - 10/05/2017 04:01:46 PM 359 Views
Are these like the "shreds of evidence" people threw up all over me about how corrupt Clinton is? - 10/05/2017 04:35:29 PM 335 Views
When did we start investigating a sitting president when there is zero recurrence her was involved? - 10/05/2017 05:34:50 PM 384 Views
No I can't argue against a negative - 11/05/2017 04:45:18 AM 311 Views
I'm only surprised it didn't happen earlier - 10/05/2017 03:56:10 PM 329 Views
Doesn't that feel like The Point? - 10/05/2017 06:39:00 PM 342 Views
How can Trump prove a negative, though? - 14/05/2017 09:52:47 PM 376 Views
Indeed it does. And a lot of people rather doubt Trump would nominate someone like that. - 10/05/2017 08:00:53 PM 422 Views
That op-ed was a complete waste of time to read - 11/05/2017 07:21:15 PM 274 Views
You should be glad I didn't go with the Guardian's take then. - 11/05/2017 08:00:32 PM 339 Views
I think you're full of shit, too. - 12/05/2017 06:25:59 AM 269 Views
The funny thing with Trump is... - 17/05/2017 06:13:54 PM 449 Views
Sorry that wss nothing but partisan babble *NM* - 12/05/2017 02:30:36 AM 248 Views
You'd think some of the HRC diehard types would be cheering. *NM* - 10/05/2017 10:24:28 PM 208 Views
I'm sick to death of all this shit. - 11/05/2017 05:10:26 PM 290 Views
Yes. - 12/05/2017 10:19:19 AM 233 Views
pics or it didn't happen *NM* - 12/05/2017 04:08:18 PM 209 Views
Mookie do not be sick, and do not call upon the spectre of death onto yourself - 12/05/2017 03:30:06 PM 257 Views
I will never reach senility - 12/05/2017 04:09:54 PM 371 Views
damned double post - ironic considering the subject line *NM* - 12/05/2017 04:09:54 PM 192 Views
Says the guy who doubles post - 12/05/2017 04:13:16 PM 279 Views
I'll take door number two, thank you very much. *NM* - 12/05/2017 04:20:54 PM 184 Views
Mookie your Yodaish is still a work in progress - 12/05/2017 04:33:07 PM 290 Views

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