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For what it's worth.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 28/07/2017 10:36:22 PM

I talked with a former Marine buddy of mine and he said it was "much ado about nothing." He just kind of related that he and the guys he worked with didn't care at all.

He didn't qualify why or anything along those lines. I don't know what he did in the service. He just said that it wasn't that big of a deal.

~Jeordam

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Thoughts on the internet outrage over Trump's transgenders in the military announcement damookster - 26/07/2017 05:42:34 PM 821 Views
Maybe because.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 06:08:16 PM 377 Views
I get that damookster - 26/07/2017 06:12:35 PM 385 Views
I don't think that your reasoning is flawed.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 06:31:06 PM 435 Views
bottom line damookster - 26/07/2017 06:40:36 PM 389 Views
*shrug* Jeordam - 26/07/2017 07:05:17 PM 354 Views
I dare say a lot of the rhetoric is seriously over the top... Legolas - 26/07/2017 06:13:59 PM 382 Views
like I replied to Jeo, I don't see this as a betrayal of the LGBT cause damookster - 26/07/2017 06:19:01 PM 412 Views
LGB is not the same as T. We need to stop treating it all the same. Tom - 26/07/2017 06:58:05 PM 379 Views
No the least of which... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 07:06:21 PM 432 Views
Physical mutilation is a more appropriate word. Tom - 26/07/2017 07:07:33 PM 374 Views
You're correct.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 09:28:20 PM 362 Views
Not always, keep that in mind. Legolas - 26/07/2017 07:35:34 PM 399 Views
I would still consider that.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 09:02:36 PM 404 Views
John McCain is the Left's favorite RINO Tom - 26/07/2017 08:09:41 PM 426 Views
He's not a RINO. Just built his career on being independent-minded. Legolas - 26/07/2017 09:49:32 PM 429 Views
I really don't see the independence. Where is it? Tom - 27/07/2017 01:33:27 AM 378 Views
So which is it, is he a RINO or a faithful Republican foot soldier? Legolas - 27/07/2017 08:08:04 PM 429 Views
RINOs are a pack. Tom - 28/07/2017 12:46:44 AM 393 Views
Agreed with McCain The Shrike - 27/07/2017 03:35:06 PM 391 Views
It makes eminent sense why trannies shouldn't be allowed. Tom - 26/07/2017 06:57:00 PM 399 Views
I tried to keep my points to the logic of excluding an 18 yr old trans person damookster - 26/07/2017 07:16:37 PM 445 Views
I don't have any desire to stop people from doing it Tom - 26/07/2017 07:32:08 PM 375 Views
I agree damookster - 26/07/2017 07:59:18 PM 444 Views
Absolutely agree on all counts *NM* Cannoli - 27/07/2017 06:40:03 AM 219 Views
You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight. Joel - 27/07/2017 10:14:11 PM 381 Views
You're an idiot. *NM* Tom - 28/07/2017 12:47:21 AM 229 Views
You also need to pass some sort of physical standards Cannoli - 28/07/2017 03:52:14 AM 404 Views
So I was reading.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 09:07:11 PM 399 Views
This is part of my point Tom - 26/07/2017 09:47:39 PM 403 Views
The rate goes down significantly after transition. Ghavrel - 26/07/2017 11:24:50 PM 389 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 27/07/2017 01:40:05 AM 492 Views
I also like that study because it uses correct terminology: transsexual, sex-reassigned. Tom - 27/07/2017 01:42:19 AM 395 Views
Gender has had a non-grammatical meaning since the 1950s, and you know it. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 03:05:09 AM 386 Views
And people misuse the subjunctive all the time. Your point? Tom - 27/07/2017 04:57:19 AM 372 Views
Re: And people misuse the subjunctive all the time. Your point? Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 02:13:57 PM 383 Views
That's not necessarily a biological difference Tom - 27/07/2017 05:03:30 PM 422 Views
or liposuction or laser fat removal too. *NM* damookster - 27/07/2017 05:06:56 PM 238 Views
Facelifts, tummy tucks, collagen implants, nose jobs... *NM* Tom - 27/07/2017 05:09:01 PM 221 Views
Not bullshit. The rate decreases. It is still elevated relative to the general population. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 03:00:15 AM 395 Views
"transition is the cure" Tom - 27/07/2017 04:50:11 AM 383 Views
Sloppy wording on my part. Transition is currently the most effective known cure. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 02:18:41 PM 400 Views
Yes, but that just argues against transsexuals in the military either way Tom - 27/07/2017 05:04:39 PM 358 Views
Yes, and I don't feel particularly strongly about the current fiasco for that reason. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 05:51:29 PM 366 Views
Yes, I am waiting for one of our veterans to weigh in with their thoughts. *NM* damookster - 27/07/2017 06:13:19 PM 210 Views
For what it's worth.... Jeordam - 28/07/2017 10:36:22 PM 409 Views
I have a friend who was an officer in the army who feels the same way. Ghavrel - 29/07/2017 12:37:48 AM 384 Views
which should then close the debate on the original question damookster - 27/07/2017 05:07:34 AM 410 Views
Exactly. *NM* Tom - 27/07/2017 01:26:48 PM 234 Views
Well, to the extent that it covers people with dysphoria, sure. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 02:26:26 PM 364 Views
As I said above, Viagra treats a dysfunction Tom - 27/07/2017 05:08:19 PM 400 Views
also, to a point you made earlier damookster - 27/07/2017 05:39:32 PM 357 Views
Well, that's an argument for not putting them in roles where they can be captured, sure. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 05:53:02 PM 369 Views
The argument is that transition corrects the dysfunction of gender dysphoria. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 05:49:24 PM 342 Views
So let me understand your position correctly via asking a few questions Roland00 - 28/07/2017 04:01:50 AM 405 Views
Too long Tom - 28/07/2017 01:54:11 PM 383 Views
The main reason for the post was the standard you created Roland00 - 28/07/2017 05:00:27 PM 367 Views
Reductio ad absurdum, Roland? damookster - 28/07/2017 05:29:23 PM 364 Views
I know Tom and Cannoli don't care, but on the off chance that you do... Ghavrel - 29/07/2017 12:39:16 AM 392 Views
I didn't realize that damookster - 29/07/2017 01:10:30 AM 343 Views
Also trivia Roland00 - 29/07/2017 01:22:37 AM 339 Views
No worries. I'm not offended. I just thought you might want to know. *NM* Ghavrel - 29/07/2017 02:32:01 AM 198 Views
Thanks damookster - 29/07/2017 03:25:08 AM 345 Views
I don't? *NM* Cannoli - 29/07/2017 08:23:14 AM 226 Views
Yeah, I really don't care. Though I use the term for a different reason. Tom - 29/07/2017 07:12:03 PM 387 Views
So right now let me share the joke that is happening in my mind Roland00 - 29/07/2017 07:28:22 PM 328 Views
Girlfriend Mookie, you are projecting onto me. Roland00 - 29/07/2017 01:17:47 AM 408 Views
I absolutely respect you, Roland/Matt damookster - 29/07/2017 01:40:28 AM 325 Views
We are cool Roland00 - 29/07/2017 02:36:00 AM 382 Views
Blah blah blah and now I am showing off like an asshole Roland00 - 29/07/2017 02:52:48 AM 357 Views
you're a nice guy, Roland00 damookster - 29/07/2017 03:22:15 AM 355 Views
OMG mookie gave me the Nice Guy speech / Good Guy speech Roland00 - 29/07/2017 07:41:23 PM 320 Views
I've never seen Newsroom damookster - 29/07/2017 08:00:38 PM 357 Views
Teases I'll get you, my pretty, and your little dog too! Roland00 - 29/07/2017 09:13:30 PM 352 Views
Nah, I'm not that subtle. damookster - 29/07/2017 11:01:39 PM 320 Views
Edit: Double Posted due to bad wifi *NM* Roland00 - 28/07/2017 04:01:51 AM 195 Views
Serving its end: As long as everyone argues over this, no one talks about Trumpcare nor Russiagate Joel - 27/07/2017 10:05:00 PM 346 Views
What's horrible is the portmandu with -gate......Can we just let that one go yet? *NM* Jeordam - 27/07/2017 10:51:20 PM 189 Views
Joel, seriously damookster - 29/07/2017 08:33:14 PM 369 Views
No the real boogeymen are the ones we do not see with our eyes, but are still lurking in the shadows Roland00 - 29/07/2017 09:16:34 PM 318 Views
And Rejoice Roland00 - 29/07/2017 09:17:42 PM 359 Views
You are mixing up your metaphors, it is sleight of hand not sleight of mind Roland00 - 29/07/2017 09:20:17 PM 343 Views
Everybody Is Missing The Mark Here MrFarstrider - 29/07/2017 10:25:04 PM 434 Views
Nice comments. Thanks for that explanation. *NM* damookster - 29/07/2017 11:15:29 PM 214 Views
Also, For the Record MrFarstrider - 30/07/2017 08:02:58 AM 401 Views
Incite or Insight *NM* Roland00 - 01/08/2017 06:30:28 AM 202 Views
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