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I have a friend who was an officer in the army who feels the same way. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 29/07/2017 12:37:48 AM

Both he and I are generally of the opinion that we should wait until the report on trans people in the military comes out in December before we have an opinion.

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Thoughts on the internet outrage over Trump's transgenders in the military announcement - 26/07/2017 05:42:34 PM 924 Views
Maybe because.... - 26/07/2017 06:08:16 PM 513 Views
I get that - 26/07/2017 06:12:35 PM 514 Views
I don't think that your reasoning is flawed.... - 26/07/2017 06:31:06 PM 576 Views
bottom line - 26/07/2017 06:40:36 PM 543 Views
*shrug* - 26/07/2017 07:05:17 PM 482 Views
I dare say a lot of the rhetoric is seriously over the top... - 26/07/2017 06:13:59 PM 524 Views
like I replied to Jeo, I don't see this as a betrayal of the LGBT cause - 26/07/2017 06:19:01 PM 551 Views
LGB is not the same as T. We need to stop treating it all the same. - 26/07/2017 06:58:05 PM 538 Views
No the least of which... - 26/07/2017 07:06:21 PM 562 Views
Physical mutilation is a more appropriate word. - 26/07/2017 07:07:33 PM 512 Views
You're correct.... - 26/07/2017 09:28:20 PM 493 Views
Not always, keep that in mind. - 26/07/2017 07:35:34 PM 523 Views
I would still consider that.... - 26/07/2017 09:02:36 PM 549 Views
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He's not a RINO. Just built his career on being independent-minded. - 26/07/2017 09:49:32 PM 557 Views
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RINOs are a pack. - 28/07/2017 12:46:44 AM 513 Views
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Absolutely agree on all counts *NM* - 27/07/2017 06:40:03 AM 278 Views
You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight. - 27/07/2017 10:14:11 PM 514 Views
You're an idiot. *NM* - 28/07/2017 12:47:21 AM 284 Views
You also need to pass some sort of physical standards - 28/07/2017 03:52:14 AM 541 Views
So I was reading.... - 26/07/2017 09:07:11 PM 532 Views
This is part of my point - 26/07/2017 09:47:39 PM 540 Views
The rate goes down significantly after transition. - 26/07/2017 11:24:50 PM 512 Views
Bullshit. - 27/07/2017 01:40:05 AM 605 Views
I also like that study because it uses correct terminology: transsexual, sex-reassigned. - 27/07/2017 01:42:19 AM 554 Views
Gender has had a non-grammatical meaning since the 1950s, and you know it. - 27/07/2017 03:05:09 AM 511 Views
And people misuse the subjunctive all the time. Your point? - 27/07/2017 04:57:19 AM 515 Views
Re: And people misuse the subjunctive all the time. Your point? - 27/07/2017 02:13:57 PM 537 Views
That's not necessarily a biological difference - 27/07/2017 05:03:30 PM 558 Views
or liposuction or laser fat removal too. *NM* - 27/07/2017 05:06:56 PM 297 Views
Facelifts, tummy tucks, collagen implants, nose jobs... *NM* - 27/07/2017 05:09:01 PM 276 Views
Not bullshit. The rate decreases. It is still elevated relative to the general population. - 27/07/2017 03:00:15 AM 539 Views
"transition is the cure" - 27/07/2017 04:50:11 AM 532 Views
Sloppy wording on my part. Transition is currently the most effective known cure. - 27/07/2017 02:18:41 PM 540 Views
Yes, but that just argues against transsexuals in the military either way - 27/07/2017 05:04:39 PM 488 Views
Yes, and I don't feel particularly strongly about the current fiasco for that reason. - 27/07/2017 05:51:29 PM 518 Views
Yes, I am waiting for one of our veterans to weigh in with their thoughts. *NM* - 27/07/2017 06:13:19 PM 274 Views
For what it's worth.... - 28/07/2017 10:36:22 PM 562 Views
I have a friend who was an officer in the army who feels the same way. - 29/07/2017 12:37:48 AM 511 Views
which should then close the debate on the original question - 27/07/2017 05:07:34 AM 553 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 27/07/2017 01:26:48 PM 285 Views
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As I said above, Viagra treats a dysfunction - 27/07/2017 05:08:19 PM 522 Views
also, to a point you made earlier - 27/07/2017 05:39:32 PM 486 Views
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Too long - 28/07/2017 01:54:11 PM 530 Views
The main reason for the post was the standard you created - 28/07/2017 05:00:27 PM 491 Views
Reductio ad absurdum, Roland? - 28/07/2017 05:29:23 PM 496 Views
I know Tom and Cannoli don't care, but on the off chance that you do... - 29/07/2017 12:39:16 AM 525 Views
I didn't realize that - 29/07/2017 01:10:30 AM 470 Views
Also trivia - 29/07/2017 01:22:37 AM 450 Views
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Thanks - 29/07/2017 03:25:08 AM 477 Views
I don't? *NM* - 29/07/2017 08:23:14 AM 290 Views
Girlfriend Mookie, you are projecting onto me. - 29/07/2017 01:17:47 AM 542 Views
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Teases I'll get you, my pretty, and your little dog too! - 29/07/2017 09:13:30 PM 484 Views
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Edit: Double Posted due to bad wifi *NM* - 28/07/2017 04:01:51 AM 256 Views
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Incite or Insight *NM* - 01/08/2017 06:30:28 AM 264 Views

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