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I think people have different ideas of how to reach equality, some of which are stupid Aviendha Send a noteboard - 24/08/2017 11:28:31 PM

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That 'feminism' is an entire package of things (the bailey) and when the truth of some propositions that feminism supports are challenged, the response is to retreat to your completely defensible definition - the motte.



Or simply don't work in practice. Certainly feminism evolved differently in Europe than the US (e.g. hurrah for maternity leave).

I reject the idea that feminism is a set package of things; it's a goal of equality; there are varying ideas of how to get there, and that gives rise to people saying they are not feminists bc they don't supports a particular means to an end

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The purges will continue until morale improves aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 04:10:36 PM 1018 Views
I love how they cite Vasquez from Aliens as a strong female character. Cannoli - 22/08/2017 04:46:53 PM 456 Views
Not where I pictured that going... aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:19:46 PM 309 Views
Uh, yeah, I don't see the link. Just because he cheated on his wife doesn't make him not feminist. Legolas - 22/08/2017 06:44:28 PM 351 Views
You are not the gatekeeper, either aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:25:31 PM 330 Views
I strongly protest against the notion that there IS a gatekeeper. Legolas - 22/08/2017 07:39:41 PM 320 Views
I am the gatekeeper. Both of you are out. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 07:52:22 PM 384 Views
You can't kick me out! aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:54:30 PM 319 Views
None shall pass. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 07:57:43 PM 332 Views
yeah, yeah, yeah... aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 08:06:40 PM 319 Views
We're out of my field aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:53:01 PM 343 Views
Of course the real problem with the strong female action figure is the lack of real world models random thoughts - 22/08/2017 07:30:55 PM 337 Views
But is it? aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:45:30 PM 316 Views
An interesting thing about sci-fi is that it can plausibly eliminate sexual disparity in strength. Ghavrel - 22/08/2017 08:19:52 PM 345 Views
I take it by 'Africans', you mean 'black people'? Legolas - 22/08/2017 09:19:01 PM 348 Views
I meant Africans. The deficiency here is in my knowledge of sports records. Ghavrel - 23/08/2017 12:40:23 AM 302 Views
In longer distance races, yes. Not so much in sprinting. Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:03:14 AM 313 Views
When you are talking aliens then gender really isn't an issue random thoughts - 22/08/2017 09:42:07 PM 308 Views
Of the two female Avengers only one has super powers. random thoughts - 22/08/2017 09:46:49 PM 332 Views
*shrug* aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 09:56:20 PM 346 Views
And it bothers me that he can get nocked around like that and live random thoughts - 23/08/2017 12:29:26 AM 376 Views
No, not yours *NM* aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 12:34:13 AM 218 Views
I doubt anyone had their life changed because they were inspired but whatever his name is *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:33:48 AM 189 Views
So that makes me wonder....What is the definition of a Feminist? Jeordam - 22/08/2017 11:20:49 PM 340 Views
A person who supports feminism. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 11:55:56 PM 397 Views
Motte and Bailey aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 10:22:03 PM 384 Views
? Aviendha - 24/08/2017 10:34:34 PM 424 Views
The argument is aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 11:03:19 PM 325 Views
I think people have different ideas of how to reach equality, some of which are stupid Aviendha - 24/08/2017 11:28:31 PM 354 Views
Well, ok aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 12:19:24 AM 322 Views
Men! Aviendha - 25/08/2017 09:28:21 AM 376 Views
I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 10:36:31 PM 334 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 11:01:15 PM 385 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 11:34:24 PM 350 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 12:28:58 AM 356 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 03:33:53 AM 330 Views
Sometimes 'real' is the right word, though aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 03:01:16 PM 342 Views
Well, sure. There's no dispute over their beliefs there, though. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 04:03:47 PM 351 Views
all the social justice people hide from one reality random thoughts - 25/08/2017 03:40:51 PM 306 Views
That's the equity/equality distinction. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 04:01:10 PM 307 Views
See, but it's the same thing.... Jeordam - 25/08/2017 05:22:50 PM 411 Views
Are you ok giving a rich black person advantages over a poor white one? random thoughts - 25/08/2017 05:41:58 PM 343 Views
It's not just a black/white issue aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 05:45:17 PM 389 Views
Really? Jeordam - 25/08/2017 06:16:14 PM 340 Views
Affirmative action is illegal for public universities in California aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 06:44:38 PM 391 Views
That is an affect of their score not of racial bias random thoughts - 28/08/2017 02:32:02 PM 336 Views
That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. Ghavrel - 28/08/2017 06:41:32 AM 264 Views
It may not be what they intend but they ignore the real world consequences random thoughts - 28/08/2017 02:25:23 PM 397 Views
Re: That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. aerocontrols - 28/08/2017 03:02:42 PM 383 Views
Only very briefly as I head off to work. Ghavrel - 28/08/2017 04:07:42 PM 265 Views
Well, I can see you're busy aerocontrols - 28/08/2017 04:36:55 PM 361 Views
All else being equal, yes. But that's sometimes difficult to visualize. Ghavrel - 29/08/2017 03:56:56 AM 395 Views
How about a kid who's family endows one or more chairs? Or built the new gym? *NM* damookster - 29/08/2017 05:45:29 AM 188 Views
That's not "all else being equal." *NM* Ghavrel - 29/08/2017 05:35:13 PM 270 Views
I prefer Mott The Hoople *NM* damookster - 24/08/2017 10:42:00 PM 187 Views
Oh look; a bunch of dudes discussing feminism! *NM* Aviendha - 22/08/2017 11:49:25 PM 222 Views
Just let us know if you need any mansplaining. aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 12:08:55 AM 285 Views
Someone needs to bring some rationality and logic to the topic. *NM* Cannoli - 23/08/2017 01:28:16 AM 182 Views
And, I thought it was "if you believe men & women are equal, you're a feminist!" *NM* Cannoli - 23/08/2017 01:29:24 AM 187 Views
I don't know if you've noticed, but... Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:05:10 AM 312 Views
Well Aviendha - 23/08/2017 09:02:28 AM 383 Views
I tried nossy - 23/08/2017 11:41:00 AM 382 Views
It's odd Aviendha - 23/08/2017 12:08:34 PM 380 Views
Lol, I wondered how you fit in over here. nossy - 23/08/2017 12:26:05 PM 385 Views
Urban Minnesota is a bit of a haven, too. Plus we have agreeable weather with four seasons! Hieshyn - 23/08/2017 09:29:33 PM 362 Views
Pft, I've seen your mosquitos! *NM* nossy - 24/08/2017 12:57:03 AM 204 Views
This year has been very mild. I think they're going the Way of the Bee. *NM* Hieshyn - 24/08/2017 11:26:10 PM 223 Views
Uhoh nossy - 24/08/2017 11:47:16 PM 356 Views
Nope. Those bastards dont deserve your pity. They are parasites. Hieshyn - 25/08/2017 01:44:45 AM 331 Views
ANYWAY Aviendha - 25/08/2017 09:30:31 AM 316 Views
Yes the virtues of having both extremes of weather random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:31:38 AM 348 Views
Hey! nossy - 25/08/2017 10:41:16 AM 301 Views
Special rights don't lead to equality. *NM* random thoughts - 23/08/2017 12:14:12 PM 188 Views
Is it even considered possible for cisgender men to be feminist? damookster - 23/08/2017 12:48:28 AM 288 Views
In this particular case, the feminists would appear to have a legitimate point Cannoli - 23/08/2017 02:54:46 AM 401 Views
So in the end, Joss Wheldon is nothing more than the stereotypical Hollywood producer damookster - 23/08/2017 03:48:40 AM 378 Views
So he is a lot like Bil Clinton only with no Hillary to take the women out for him? *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2017 01:16:11 PM 201 Views
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