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I think people have different ideas of how to reach equality, some of which are stupid Aviendha Send a noteboard - 24/08/2017 11:28:31 PM

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That 'feminism' is an entire package of things (the bailey) and when the truth of some propositions that feminism supports are challenged, the response is to retreat to your completely defensible definition - the motte.



Or simply don't work in practice. Certainly feminism evolved differently in Europe than the US (e.g. hurrah for maternity leave).

I reject the idea that feminism is a set package of things; it's a goal of equality; there are varying ideas of how to get there, and that gives rise to people saying they are not feminists bc they don't supports a particular means to an end

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The purges will continue until morale improves aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 04:10:36 PM 1238 Views
I love how they cite Vasquez from Aliens as a strong female character. Cannoli - 22/08/2017 04:46:53 PM 641 Views
Not where I pictured that going... aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:19:46 PM 506 Views
Uh, yeah, I don't see the link. Just because he cheated on his wife doesn't make him not feminist. Legolas - 22/08/2017 06:44:28 PM 528 Views
You are not the gatekeeper, either aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:25:31 PM 513 Views
I strongly protest against the notion that there IS a gatekeeper. Legolas - 22/08/2017 07:39:41 PM 502 Views
I am the gatekeeper. Both of you are out. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 07:52:22 PM 562 Views
You can't kick me out! aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:54:30 PM 508 Views
None shall pass. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 07:57:43 PM 500 Views
yeah, yeah, yeah... aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 08:06:40 PM 495 Views
We're out of my field aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:53:01 PM 522 Views
Of course the real problem with the strong female action figure is the lack of real world models random thoughts - 22/08/2017 07:30:55 PM 515 Views
But is it? aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:45:30 PM 498 Views
An interesting thing about sci-fi is that it can plausibly eliminate sexual disparity in strength. Ghavrel - 22/08/2017 08:19:52 PM 528 Views
I take it by 'Africans', you mean 'black people'? Legolas - 22/08/2017 09:19:01 PM 515 Views
I meant Africans. The deficiency here is in my knowledge of sports records. Ghavrel - 23/08/2017 12:40:23 AM 490 Views
In longer distance races, yes. Not so much in sprinting. Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:03:14 AM 499 Views
When you are talking aliens then gender really isn't an issue random thoughts - 22/08/2017 09:42:07 PM 475 Views
Of the two female Avengers only one has super powers. random thoughts - 22/08/2017 09:46:49 PM 514 Views
*shrug* aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 09:56:20 PM 515 Views
And it bothers me that he can get nocked around like that and live random thoughts - 23/08/2017 12:29:26 AM 561 Views
No, not yours *NM* aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 12:34:13 AM 299 Views
I doubt anyone had their life changed because they were inspired but whatever his name is *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:33:48 AM 278 Views
So that makes me wonder....What is the definition of a Feminist? Jeordam - 22/08/2017 11:20:49 PM 548 Views
A person who supports feminism. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 11:55:56 PM 599 Views
Motte and Bailey aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 10:22:03 PM 580 Views
? Aviendha - 24/08/2017 10:34:34 PM 634 Views
The argument is aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 11:03:19 PM 511 Views
I think people have different ideas of how to reach equality, some of which are stupid Aviendha - 24/08/2017 11:28:31 PM 562 Views
Well, ok aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 12:19:24 AM 508 Views
Men! Aviendha - 25/08/2017 09:28:21 AM 582 Views
I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 10:36:31 PM 504 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 11:01:15 PM 576 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 11:34:24 PM 535 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 12:28:58 AM 564 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 03:33:53 AM 490 Views
Sometimes 'real' is the right word, though aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 03:01:16 PM 536 Views
Well, sure. There's no dispute over their beliefs there, though. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 04:03:47 PM 552 Views
all the social justice people hide from one reality random thoughts - 25/08/2017 03:40:51 PM 509 Views
That's the equity/equality distinction. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 04:01:10 PM 486 Views
See, but it's the same thing.... Jeordam - 25/08/2017 05:22:50 PM 600 Views
Are you ok giving a rich black person advantages over a poor white one? random thoughts - 25/08/2017 05:41:58 PM 533 Views
It's not just a black/white issue aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 05:45:17 PM 576 Views
Really? Jeordam - 25/08/2017 06:16:14 PM 529 Views
Affirmative action is illegal for public universities in California aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 06:44:38 PM 560 Views
That is an affect of their score not of racial bias random thoughts - 28/08/2017 02:32:02 PM 534 Views
That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. Ghavrel - 28/08/2017 06:41:32 AM 434 Views
It may not be what they intend but they ignore the real world consequences random thoughts - 28/08/2017 02:25:23 PM 589 Views
Re: That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. aerocontrols - 28/08/2017 03:02:42 PM 576 Views
Only very briefly as I head off to work. Ghavrel - 28/08/2017 04:07:42 PM 438 Views
Well, I can see you're busy aerocontrols - 28/08/2017 04:36:55 PM 544 Views
All else being equal, yes. But that's sometimes difficult to visualize. Ghavrel - 29/08/2017 03:56:56 AM 572 Views
How about a kid who's family endows one or more chairs? Or built the new gym? *NM* damookster - 29/08/2017 05:45:29 AM 276 Views
That's not "all else being equal." *NM* Ghavrel - 29/08/2017 05:35:13 PM 337 Views
I prefer Mott The Hoople *NM* damookster - 24/08/2017 10:42:00 PM 259 Views
Oh look; a bunch of dudes discussing feminism! *NM* Aviendha - 22/08/2017 11:49:25 PM 312 Views
Just let us know if you need any mansplaining. aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 12:08:55 AM 456 Views
Someone needs to bring some rationality and logic to the topic. *NM* Cannoli - 23/08/2017 01:28:16 AM 260 Views
And, I thought it was "if you believe men & women are equal, you're a feminist!" *NM* Cannoli - 23/08/2017 01:29:24 AM 267 Views
I don't know if you've noticed, but... Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:05:10 AM 491 Views
Well Aviendha - 23/08/2017 09:02:28 AM 564 Views
I tried nossy - 23/08/2017 11:41:00 AM 566 Views
It's odd Aviendha - 23/08/2017 12:08:34 PM 569 Views
Lol, I wondered how you fit in over here. nossy - 23/08/2017 12:26:05 PM 574 Views
Urban Minnesota is a bit of a haven, too. Plus we have agreeable weather with four seasons! Hieshyn - 23/08/2017 09:29:33 PM 549 Views
Pft, I've seen your mosquitos! *NM* nossy - 24/08/2017 12:57:03 AM 288 Views
This year has been very mild. I think they're going the Way of the Bee. *NM* Hieshyn - 24/08/2017 11:26:10 PM 331 Views
Uhoh nossy - 24/08/2017 11:47:16 PM 565 Views
Nope. Those bastards dont deserve your pity. They are parasites. Hieshyn - 25/08/2017 01:44:45 AM 526 Views
ANYWAY Aviendha - 25/08/2017 09:30:31 AM 495 Views
Yes the virtues of having both extremes of weather random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:31:38 AM 524 Views
Hey! nossy - 25/08/2017 10:41:16 AM 478 Views
Special rights don't lead to equality. *NM* random thoughts - 23/08/2017 12:14:12 PM 274 Views
Is it even considered possible for cisgender men to be feminist? damookster - 23/08/2017 12:48:28 AM 484 Views
In this particular case, the feminists would appear to have a legitimate point Cannoli - 23/08/2017 02:54:46 AM 594 Views
So in the end, Joss Wheldon is nothing more than the stereotypical Hollywood producer damookster - 23/08/2017 03:48:40 AM 574 Views
So he is a lot like Bil Clinton only with no Hillary to take the women out for him? *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2017 01:16:11 PM 276 Views
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