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Sometimes 'real' is the right word, though aerocontrols Send a noteboard - 25/08/2017 03:01:16 PM

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Well, sometimes they're used to distance your group from someone harmful to the cause.

Joss Wheedon is not a real feminist

The Jonestown settlers weren't real Christians.


I think a better word instead of "real" is "good." Then you can attack how they achieved a goal without disputing that they had a specific goal in mind, which is much harder to prove and not particularly useful to discuss.


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I didn't think you were accusing me of that - just someone in this thread. You might be right about the second paragraph, but my impression is that it can come up almost whenever anyone objects to anything in feminism's Bailey.

Well, far be it from me to speak on behalf of all feminists.

I wasn't accusing anybody of anything, though, except having ideas with which I disagree.


If you listen to the FBI wiretaps (reading the transcripts is better) it's clear that the Jonestown settlers didn't consider themselves Christians. They were communists who used the trappings of religion for rhetorical reasons. For instance, Jones, from the transcript:

I don't think it is what we want to do with our babies--I don't think that's what we had in mind to do with our babies. It is said by the greatest of prophets from time immemorial: "No man may take my life from me; I lay my life down." So to sit here and wait for the catastrophe that's going to happen on that airplane--it's going to be a catastrophe. It almost happened here. Almost happened when the congressman was nearly killed here. You can't steal people's children. You can't take off with people's children without expecting a violent reaction. And that's not so unfamiliar to us either--even if we were Judeo-Christian--if we weren't Communists. The world (inaudible) suffers violence, and the violent shall take it by force. If we can't live in peace, then let's die in peace. (Applause.)

The only times in the transcript that he even mentions God, he's merely swearing.

I'm not a Christian, but I can see why a Christian would want to disavow Jones - almost nothing in his goals or achievements is anything in the Motte or Bailey of Christianity.

Hollywood has the best moral compass, because it has compassion.
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