View original post1) Felonies, mental health etc. And yes, all guns, all bullets. (Don't come up with the nerf gun argument)
I wasn't going to take it to the nerf place. This isn't internet troll land (at least not from me). Again, I'm asking for fully articulated examples. Felony...so wire fraud? And mental health...so someone gets a prescription for depression or OCD meds...no gun for you? How about Postpartum issues? And if they owned already, and then later in life had an onset of mental health issues? Their property is forfeit? They are compelled to give to the State without compensation? How do you go about enforcing it? It's not as though a doctor can make a diagnosis of "OCD like tendencies and a fear of Spiders" and then tell the state, which would then want to take my guns away....
Unless you were also advocating for a violation of Doctor/Patient confidentiality for any mental health issue?
View original post2) So people in prison should be allowed to have guns? Children? Lots of states already do this, the constitution doesn't protect your right to have a gun in all circumstances.
Don't change the subject. I proposed the scenario that once their time is served, they get their free speech, religion, press, etc. back....
Let's say you have a felon who served his time for aggravated assault. He served his time, and has decided a quite life in the mountains is now his thing. He better hope that he can fend off a bear with a baseball bat....
View original post3) This one is simple, and implemented in several states already. There's no debate about what constitutes a violent crime in the US (well, there is the argument that it doesn't go far enough like Canada's does). If someone has committed a violent crime they shouldn't be allowed to access a gun.
Define that one please. "Shouldn't be allowed to access a gun..." so if their family member has one, it is a choice between getting rid of their gun or never seeing their family member again?
View original post4) It allows the government to track guns that have been lost and stolen in the same way states track cars.
Except for the fact that I can't hide a car in my underwear drawer. Besides the fact that I don't have a right to a car, as someone who had a stolen car, it can sometimes take months (if ever) for the car to be recovered...and a car is big.
View original post5) This has been covered by the supreme court, it's constitutional to put constraints on gun ownership.
Ok, sure. When it comes to firearm licenses, I'm pretty ok with that. Much like I have to have license to drive a car. Granted, I don't have the right to a car, but in the interest of public safety, there should at least be nominal proof that I can operate the car safely. Please notice that it was that I can operate the care safely, and not that I was "allowed" to have a car.
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The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year!
02/10/2017 06:07:38 PM
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Perhaps we could also wait for the bodies to get cold before politicizing a tragedy? *NM*
02/10/2017 07:11:18 PM
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Indeed.
02/10/2017 07:32:41 PM
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yes.
02/10/2017 07:41:15 PM
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No. It's a willful failure of policy, just like the last thousands times. We fucking can't.
02/10/2017 07:47:16 PM
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Yes.You.Could.
02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM
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Because not politicizing the first thousand worked so well...
02/10/2017 07:52:09 PM
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Really?
02/10/2017 07:55:22 PM
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How much time is "enough time" exactly? Just until the next one so the clock can reset? *NM*
02/10/2017 08:01:51 PM
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Oh and "also"? That comment was preemptively aimed at the very sentiment you were expressing. *NM*
02/10/2017 07:54:12 PM
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It failed. *NM*
02/10/2017 07:56:19 PM
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Then you misunderstood it's purpose. *NM*
02/10/2017 07:58:15 PM
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doubtful.
02/10/2017 08:00:38 PM
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The dick move is the continual inaction and call for silence.
02/10/2017 08:05:24 PM
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One or two days would defeat your purpose?
02/10/2017 08:15:49 PM
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And what if someone goes out an shoots another 50+ people tomorrow?
02/10/2017 08:18:31 PM
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Your post on a website with 100 active users would prevent that? *NM*
02/10/2017 08:22:25 PM
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Just another argument aimed at silencing discussion *NM*
02/10/2017 08:27:27 PM
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If you want discussion how about making specific points or suggestions?
02/10/2017 08:31:09 PM
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Stop attempting to prevent discourse because it offends your sensibilities.
02/10/2017 08:39:47 PM
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oh fuck off
02/10/2017 08:45:05 PM
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Oh please, the problem isn't a lack of ideas.
02/10/2017 09:04:18 PM
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You do realize that the guns used in Las Vegas may have already been illegal.
02/10/2017 09:14:47 PM
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Or it may have been modified with a completely legal $95 stock
02/10/2017 09:30:44 PM
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Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely...
02/10/2017 09:42:20 PM
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Re: Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely...
02/10/2017 09:53:23 PM
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People who go to the bother of obtaining illegal weapons in order to kill people...
02/10/2017 09:59:52 PM
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It should be noted....
02/10/2017 10:13:19 PM
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The federal law wouldn't do much more....
02/10/2017 10:33:46 PM
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And because a law only makes a problem slightly better
02/10/2017 10:40:00 PM
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And that would be the difference between you and me....
02/10/2017 10:45:13 PM
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You sail in the ocean blind long enough and eventually you hit an iceberg.
02/10/2017 10:51:24 PM
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If there's an average of 1 per day, when are we not mourning?
02/10/2017 08:03:46 PM
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How about when we have better and more complete information, for one?
02/10/2017 08:11:18 PM
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A 64 year old man walked into a hotel with 10 guns
02/10/2017 08:17:24 PM
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Which hypothesis? *NM*
02/10/2017 08:20:51 PM
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The United States has an unaddressed problem with firearm violence. *NM*
02/10/2017 08:23:28 PM
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I will always agree with that,
02/10/2017 08:19:58 PM
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That was my point.
02/10/2017 08:24:56 PM
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Eh, well
02/10/2017 08:31:43 PM
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how about something a little more tangible than "your country has a problem?" *NM*
02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM
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jeez, twice in one thread. *NM*
02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM
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The "other side" is trying to use the emotions of the moment to pass things they couldn't otherwise
03/10/2017 11:57:38 AM
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So what you would you say the solution would be?
02/10/2017 08:50:54 PM
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Any number of the dozens of pieces of legislation that is proposed *every time* this happens
02/10/2017 09:11:26 PM
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And yet, almost every time shootings happen, none of those measures would have done anything.
02/10/2017 09:22:51 PM
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Speculation and ignored macro-effects
02/10/2017 09:39:30 PM
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An honest Question
02/10/2017 10:06:16 PM
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The second amendment is part of the problem. *NM*
02/10/2017 10:30:21 PM
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And now you just lost...
02/10/2017 10:39:21 PM
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Oh the fight is already won
02/10/2017 10:50:00 PM
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I don't think you're very educated as to Second Amendment jurisprudence.
03/10/2017 12:13:27 AM
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Why let silly things like facts get in the way of a good polemic?
03/10/2017 01:24:24 AM
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And it's difficult to overstate how much they advanced its reach.
03/10/2017 04:31:58 AM
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Question for you Ghav but also for any other RAFOite
03/10/2017 06:51:47 AM
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It was, before they first started putting limitations on it
04/10/2017 05:35:27 AM
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What court cases do you think are examples of the trend constricting the 2nd Amendment? *NM*
04/10/2017 05:48:41 AM
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So let's work through these...
02/10/2017 10:02:09 PM
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Re: So let's work through these...
02/10/2017 10:20:08 PM
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Ok...let's talk
02/10/2017 10:32:58 PM
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Just what kind of reaction did you expect to get with a post like this?
02/10/2017 10:10:34 PM
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For people to think about the problem rather than token sympathies.
02/10/2017 10:28:59 PM
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Killing people is the whole point of guns. The real issue is who gets killed.
02/10/2017 10:55:59 PM
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No use putting someone in prison if you don't lock the door after them *NM*
02/10/2017 11:04:12 PM
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I was going to make a post to this effect, but you preempted me. I agree 100%.
02/10/2017 11:15:21 PM
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it is like the time buses were exploding in Israel, except it is Americans who are doing it
03/10/2017 06:19:56 PM
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