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And now you just lost... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 02/10/2017 10:39:21 PM

You lost. There is absolutely no way for you to "win" now. Your entire argument, your anger, your frustration...everything you advocate (related and not related) just flew out the window for a vast majority of Americans.

Setting aside the procedural difficulty in repealing the 2nd Amendment, you have just advocated that Americans should give up one of their rights because someone used their right to murder a host of people.

For every incident like this, there are, (dare I say) millions of responsible gun owners out there who use their weapons for recreational shooting, protection from dangerous people, protection from dangerous animals, ease of mind, and aesthetic collecting....despite the fact that it is their right to have one.

You just lost.
~Jeordam

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The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 06:07:38 PM 1844 Views
Perhaps we could also wait for the bodies to get cold before politicizing a tragedy? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:11:18 PM 493 Views
Indeed. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:32:41 PM 780 Views
yes. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:41:15 PM 802 Views
Well, to be fair, dude ain't got no crown. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:43:31 PM 798 Views
I suppose lack of a crown could be disconcerting damookster - 02/10/2017 07:47:46 PM 816 Views
Does that mean uncircumcised? Tom - 02/10/2017 09:16:23 PM 726 Views
Same here. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:15:29 PM 820 Views
No. It's a willful failure of policy, just like the last thousands times. We fucking can't. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:47:16 PM 793 Views
Yes.You.Could. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 814 Views
Because not politicizing the first thousand worked so well... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:52:09 PM 815 Views
Really? damookster - 02/10/2017 07:55:22 PM 781 Views
How much time is "enough time" exactly? Just until the next one so the clock can reset? *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:01:51 PM 465 Views
double post for emphasis. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 508 Views
Oh and "also"? That comment was preemptively aimed at the very sentiment you were expressing. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:54:12 PM 493 Views
It failed. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:56:19 PM 473 Views
Then you misunderstood it's purpose. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:58:15 PM 485 Views
doubtful. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:00:38 PM 681 Views
The dick move is the continual inaction and call for silence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:05:24 PM 761 Views
One or two days would defeat your purpose? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:15:49 PM 835 Views
And what if someone goes out an shoots another 50+ people tomorrow? TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:18:31 PM 729 Views
Your post on a website with 100 active users would prevent that? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:22:25 PM 478 Views
Just another argument aimed at silencing discussion *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:27:27 PM 465 Views
If you want discussion how about making specific points or suggestions? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:31:09 PM 760 Views
Stop attempting to prevent discourse because it offends your sensibilities. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:39:47 PM 787 Views
oh fuck off damookster - 02/10/2017 08:45:05 PM 774 Views
Oh please, the problem isn't a lack of ideas. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:04:18 PM 742 Views
You do realize that the guns used in Las Vegas may have already been illegal. damookster - 02/10/2017 09:14:47 PM 757 Views
Or it may have been modified with a completely legal $95 stock TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:30:44 PM 718 Views
Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:42:20 PM 777 Views
Re: Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:53:23 PM 795 Views
People who go to the bother of obtaining illegal weapons in order to kill people... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:59:52 PM 754 Views
That is why you limit access to them. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:21:32 PM 451 Views
It should be noted.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:13:19 PM 752 Views
All the more reason for federal regulation on the matter *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:49 PM 476 Views
The federal law wouldn't do much more.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:33:46 PM 785 Views
And because a law only makes a problem slightly better TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:40:00 PM 752 Views
And that would be the difference between you and me.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:45:13 PM 765 Views
You sail in the ocean blind long enough and eventually you hit an iceberg. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:51:24 PM 780 Views
Again.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:07:20 PM 776 Views
If there's an average of 1 per day, when are we not mourning? nossy - 02/10/2017 08:03:46 PM 773 Views
How about when we have better and more complete information, for one? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:11:18 PM 713 Views
A 64 year old man walked into a hotel with 10 guns TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:17:24 PM 828 Views
Which hypothesis? *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:20:51 PM 476 Views
The United States has an unaddressed problem with firearm violence. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:23:28 PM 497 Views
I agree with that premise. *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:26:58 PM 451 Views
I will always agree with that, nossy - 02/10/2017 08:19:58 PM 801 Views
That was my point. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:24:56 PM 861 Views
Eh, well nossy - 02/10/2017 08:31:43 PM 745 Views
how about something a little more tangible than "your country has a problem?" *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 516 Views
jeez, twice in one thread. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 454 Views
Weirdly, I also agree with this nossy - 02/10/2017 08:42:26 PM 692 Views
See Roland00's reply. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:47:57 PM 685 Views
Again nossy - 02/10/2017 08:59:44 PM 706 Views
Nobody said "your country is stupid" TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:06:54 PM 712 Views
The "other side" is trying to use the emotions of the moment to pass things they couldn't otherwise random thoughts - 03/10/2017 11:57:38 AM 762 Views
Lets postpone the discussion to 10/10 Roland00 - 02/10/2017 08:36:57 PM 783 Views
I have no problem with discussion. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:40:43 PM 749 Views
But, but, you lose a news cycle that way! Tom - 02/10/2017 09:14:19 PM 738 Views
"And we wonder why we have shootings like this at all..." TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:40:40 PM 701 Views
Wow step away from the spicy nachos Tom *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 09:51:00 PM 533 Views
Make that 274, 3 people dead and 2 wounded in Lawrence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:22:21 PM 741 Views
So what you would you say the solution would be? Jeordam - 02/10/2017 08:50:54 PM 754 Views
Exactly. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:52:53 PM 419 Views
Any number of the dozens of pieces of legislation that is proposed *every time* this happens TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:11:26 PM 833 Views
And yet, almost every time shootings happen, none of those measures would have done anything. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:22:51 PM 758 Views
Speculation and ignored macro-effects TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:39:30 PM 750 Views
An honest Question Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:06:16 PM 713 Views
The second amendment is part of the problem. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:30:21 PM 490 Views
And now you just lost... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:39:21 PM 766 Views
Oh the fight is already won TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:50:00 PM 772 Views
I would disagree.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:09:36 PM 750 Views
I don't think you're very educated as to Second Amendment jurisprudence. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 12:13:27 AM 842 Views
Why let silly things like facts get in the way of a good polemic? damookster - 03/10/2017 01:24:24 AM 790 Views
And it's difficult to overstate how much they advanced its reach. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 04:31:58 AM 776 Views
Yes I actually knew that damookster - 03/10/2017 04:37:40 AM 816 Views
Re: Yes I actually knew that Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 09:18:08 AM 768 Views
Question for you Ghav but also for any other RAFOite Roland00 - 03/10/2017 06:51:47 AM 814 Views
It's likely the Ferguson Effect. *NM* Tom - 03/10/2017 09:47:42 PM 442 Views
with a corresponding rise in gang activity and violence *NM* damookster - 03/10/2017 10:07:18 PM 471 Views
This too needs to be studied the Ferguson Effect Roland00 - 03/10/2017 10:43:02 PM 923 Views
It was, before they first started putting limitations on it TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:35:27 AM 869 Views
What court cases do you think are examples of the trend constricting the 2nd Amendment? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/10/2017 05:48:41 AM 435 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 787 Views
And just to say it.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:18:06 PM 770 Views
Re: some of these would never fly here TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:37:24 PM 821 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 692 Views
So let's work through these... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:09 PM 824 Views
Post to my own post.....wow *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:19 PM 439 Views
Re: So let's work through these... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:08 PM 764 Views
Ok...let's talk Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:32:58 PM 748 Views
Re: Ok...let's talk TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:02:44 PM 973 Views
Dialogue....good. Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:17:46 PM 753 Views
Just what kind of reaction did you expect to get with a post like this? Legolas - 02/10/2017 10:10:34 PM 788 Views
For people to think about the problem rather than token sympathies. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:28:59 PM 834 Views
And the proof for that is....? *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:41:29 PM 475 Views
Killing people is the whole point of guns. The real issue is who gets killed. Cannoli - 02/10/2017 10:55:59 PM 842 Views
No use putting someone in prison if you don't lock the door after them *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:04:12 PM 449 Views
But after they get out.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:39:39 PM 748 Views
I don't think you're going about it in a very smart way, then. Legolas - 03/10/2017 12:23:33 AM 905 Views
It's never the right occasion to start talking about it. TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:39:15 AM 712 Views
But he was offering Candy, how can you say no to Candy? *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 10:31:24 PM 490 Views
I was going to make a post to this effect, but you preempted me. I agree 100%. Ghavrel - 02/10/2017 11:15:21 PM 789 Views
Re: The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! Nargs - 03/10/2017 12:58:31 AM 780 Views
Oh please TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:36:12 AM 732 Views
it is like the time buses were exploding in Israel, except it is Americans who are doing it AgentApple - 03/10/2017 06:19:56 PM 886 Views
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