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View original post1) Felonies, mental health etc. And yes, all guns, all bullets. (Don't come up with the nerf gun argument)

I wasn't going to take it to the nerf place. This isn't internet troll land (at least not from me). Again, I'm asking for fully articulated examples. Felony...so wire fraud? And mental health...so someone gets a prescription for depression or OCD meds...no gun for you? How about Postpartum issues? And if they owned already, and then later in life had an onset of mental health issues? Their property is forfeit? They are compelled to give to the State without compensation? How do you go about enforcing it? It's not as though a doctor can make a diagnosis of "OCD like tendencies and a fear of Spiders" and then tell the state, which would then want to take my guns away....

Unless you were also advocating for a violation of Doctor/Patient confidentiality for any mental health issue?


View original post2) So people in prison should be allowed to have guns? Children? Lots of states already do this, the constitution doesn't protect your right to have a gun in all circumstances.

Don't change the subject. I proposed the scenario that once their time is served, they get their free speech, religion, press, etc. back....

Let's say you have a felon who served his time for aggravated assault. He served his time, and has decided a quite life in the mountains is now his thing. He better hope that he can fend off a bear with a baseball bat....


View original post3) This one is simple, and implemented in several states already. There's no debate about what constitutes a violent crime in the US (well, there is the argument that it doesn't go far enough like Canada's does). If someone has committed a violent crime they shouldn't be allowed to access a gun.

Define that one please. "Shouldn't be allowed to access a gun..." so if their family member has one, it is a choice between getting rid of their gun or never seeing their family member again?
View original post4) It allows the government to track guns that have been lost and stolen in the same way states track cars.

Except for the fact that I can't hide a car in my underwear drawer. Besides the fact that I don't have a right to a car, as someone who had a stolen car, it can sometimes take months (if ever) for the car to be recovered...and a car is big.
View original post5) This has been covered by the supreme court, it's constitutional to put constraints on gun ownership.

Ok, sure. When it comes to firearm licenses, I'm pretty ok with that. Much like I have to have license to drive a car. Granted, I don't have the right to a car, but in the interest of public safety, there should at least be nominal proof that I can operate the car safely. Please notice that it was that I can operate the care safely, and not that I was "allowed" to have a car.

~Jeordam


1) Preventing violent felons from purchasing guns are the ones current research suggest would help reduce gun related deaths. It's already illegal for them to buy them in most of the US, but the lack of background checks makes it impossible to enforce.

2) Then make it a penalty for the crime. Commit a violent crime? Can't own a gun anymore. Abuse a child? Can't go near a school. But then again, if it was unconstitutional it wouldn't exist so widely already.

3) I'll tackle the mental health issues all in one. Let the CDC do research and allow them to identify potential markers for gun violence (from depression, bipolar etc.) and make it a law that no gun can be kept within that household while a vulnerable person is there. They can either surrender them for safe storage until their situation changes or they can store them safely off-site for use at ranges etc.

4) No, but guns that they do come across can be confiscated, which reduces the ease of flow.

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The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 06:07:38 PM 1838 Views
Perhaps we could also wait for the bodies to get cold before politicizing a tragedy? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:11:18 PM 491 Views
Indeed. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:32:41 PM 771 Views
yes. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:41:15 PM 796 Views
Well, to be fair, dude ain't got no crown. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:43:31 PM 792 Views
I suppose lack of a crown could be disconcerting damookster - 02/10/2017 07:47:46 PM 809 Views
Does that mean uncircumcised? Tom - 02/10/2017 09:16:23 PM 720 Views
Same here. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:15:29 PM 816 Views
No. It's a willful failure of policy, just like the last thousands times. We fucking can't. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:47:16 PM 788 Views
Yes.You.Could. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 809 Views
Because not politicizing the first thousand worked so well... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:52:09 PM 809 Views
Really? damookster - 02/10/2017 07:55:22 PM 774 Views
How much time is "enough time" exactly? Just until the next one so the clock can reset? *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:01:51 PM 463 Views
double post for emphasis. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 506 Views
Oh and "also"? That comment was preemptively aimed at the very sentiment you were expressing. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:54:12 PM 490 Views
It failed. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:56:19 PM 471 Views
Then you misunderstood it's purpose. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:58:15 PM 482 Views
doubtful. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:00:38 PM 675 Views
The dick move is the continual inaction and call for silence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:05:24 PM 755 Views
One or two days would defeat your purpose? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:15:49 PM 827 Views
And what if someone goes out an shoots another 50+ people tomorrow? TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:18:31 PM 723 Views
Your post on a website with 100 active users would prevent that? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:22:25 PM 476 Views
Just another argument aimed at silencing discussion *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:27:27 PM 463 Views
If you want discussion how about making specific points or suggestions? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:31:09 PM 754 Views
Stop attempting to prevent discourse because it offends your sensibilities. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:39:47 PM 781 Views
oh fuck off damookster - 02/10/2017 08:45:05 PM 768 Views
Oh please, the problem isn't a lack of ideas. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:04:18 PM 737 Views
You do realize that the guns used in Las Vegas may have already been illegal. damookster - 02/10/2017 09:14:47 PM 750 Views
Or it may have been modified with a completely legal $95 stock TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:30:44 PM 714 Views
Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:42:20 PM 770 Views
Re: Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:53:23 PM 789 Views
People who go to the bother of obtaining illegal weapons in order to kill people... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:59:52 PM 749 Views
That is why you limit access to them. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:21:32 PM 449 Views
It should be noted.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:13:19 PM 746 Views
All the more reason for federal regulation on the matter *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:49 PM 475 Views
The federal law wouldn't do much more.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:33:46 PM 781 Views
And because a law only makes a problem slightly better TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:40:00 PM 745 Views
And that would be the difference between you and me.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:45:13 PM 759 Views
You sail in the ocean blind long enough and eventually you hit an iceberg. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:51:24 PM 773 Views
Again.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:07:20 PM 771 Views
If there's an average of 1 per day, when are we not mourning? nossy - 02/10/2017 08:03:46 PM 766 Views
How about when we have better and more complete information, for one? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:11:18 PM 706 Views
A 64 year old man walked into a hotel with 10 guns TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:17:24 PM 824 Views
Which hypothesis? *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:20:51 PM 473 Views
The United States has an unaddressed problem with firearm violence. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:23:28 PM 495 Views
I agree with that premise. *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:26:58 PM 448 Views
I will always agree with that, nossy - 02/10/2017 08:19:58 PM 794 Views
That was my point. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:24:56 PM 855 Views
Eh, well nossy - 02/10/2017 08:31:43 PM 740 Views
how about something a little more tangible than "your country has a problem?" *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 512 Views
jeez, twice in one thread. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 452 Views
Weirdly, I also agree with this nossy - 02/10/2017 08:42:26 PM 687 Views
See Roland00's reply. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:47:57 PM 679 Views
Again nossy - 02/10/2017 08:59:44 PM 699 Views
Nobody said "your country is stupid" TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:06:54 PM 706 Views
The "other side" is trying to use the emotions of the moment to pass things they couldn't otherwise random thoughts - 03/10/2017 11:57:38 AM 756 Views
Lets postpone the discussion to 10/10 Roland00 - 02/10/2017 08:36:57 PM 777 Views
I have no problem with discussion. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:40:43 PM 743 Views
But, but, you lose a news cycle that way! Tom - 02/10/2017 09:14:19 PM 732 Views
"And we wonder why we have shootings like this at all..." TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:40:40 PM 695 Views
Wow step away from the spicy nachos Tom *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 09:51:00 PM 531 Views
Make that 274, 3 people dead and 2 wounded in Lawrence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:22:21 PM 735 Views
So what you would you say the solution would be? Jeordam - 02/10/2017 08:50:54 PM 746 Views
Exactly. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:52:53 PM 417 Views
Any number of the dozens of pieces of legislation that is proposed *every time* this happens TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:11:26 PM 828 Views
And yet, almost every time shootings happen, none of those measures would have done anything. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:22:51 PM 753 Views
Speculation and ignored macro-effects TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:39:30 PM 744 Views
An honest Question Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:06:16 PM 707 Views
The second amendment is part of the problem. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:30:21 PM 487 Views
And now you just lost... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:39:21 PM 757 Views
Oh the fight is already won TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:50:00 PM 766 Views
I would disagree.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:09:36 PM 743 Views
I don't think you're very educated as to Second Amendment jurisprudence. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 12:13:27 AM 837 Views
Why let silly things like facts get in the way of a good polemic? damookster - 03/10/2017 01:24:24 AM 786 Views
And it's difficult to overstate how much they advanced its reach. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 04:31:58 AM 770 Views
Yes I actually knew that damookster - 03/10/2017 04:37:40 AM 810 Views
Re: Yes I actually knew that Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 09:18:08 AM 762 Views
Question for you Ghav but also for any other RAFOite Roland00 - 03/10/2017 06:51:47 AM 808 Views
It's likely the Ferguson Effect. *NM* Tom - 03/10/2017 09:47:42 PM 440 Views
with a corresponding rise in gang activity and violence *NM* damookster - 03/10/2017 10:07:18 PM 467 Views
This too needs to be studied the Ferguson Effect Roland00 - 03/10/2017 10:43:02 PM 918 Views
It was, before they first started putting limitations on it TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:35:27 AM 860 Views
What court cases do you think are examples of the trend constricting the 2nd Amendment? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/10/2017 05:48:41 AM 433 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 780 Views
And just to say it.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:18:06 PM 765 Views
Re: some of these would never fly here TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:37:24 PM 815 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 685 Views
So let's work through these... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:09 PM 815 Views
Post to my own post.....wow *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:19 PM 437 Views
Re: So let's work through these... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:08 PM 758 Views
Ok...let's talk Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:32:58 PM 742 Views
Re: Ok...let's talk TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:02:44 PM 966 Views
Dialogue....good. Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:17:46 PM 746 Views
Just what kind of reaction did you expect to get with a post like this? Legolas - 02/10/2017 10:10:34 PM 783 Views
For people to think about the problem rather than token sympathies. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:28:59 PM 828 Views
And the proof for that is....? *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:41:29 PM 473 Views
Killing people is the whole point of guns. The real issue is who gets killed. Cannoli - 02/10/2017 10:55:59 PM 835 Views
No use putting someone in prison if you don't lock the door after them *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:04:12 PM 447 Views
But after they get out.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:39:39 PM 742 Views
I don't think you're going about it in a very smart way, then. Legolas - 03/10/2017 12:23:33 AM 899 Views
It's never the right occasion to start talking about it. TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:39:15 AM 708 Views
But he was offering Candy, how can you say no to Candy? *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 10:31:24 PM 488 Views
I was going to make a post to this effect, but you preempted me. I agree 100%. Ghavrel - 02/10/2017 11:15:21 PM 783 Views
Re: The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! Nargs - 03/10/2017 12:58:31 AM 776 Views
Oh please TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:36:12 AM 727 Views
it is like the time buses were exploding in Israel, except it is Americans who are doing it AgentApple - 03/10/2017 06:19:56 PM 880 Views
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