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I was going to make a post to this effect, but you preempted me. I agree 100%. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 02/10/2017 11:15:21 PM

I am strongly in favor of gun control, but there's no evidence that any gun control policy would have stopped this. It seems very likely it was a border control issue, which Democrats should be treading very carefully around.

I'd be interested in seeing what policies people believe would have stopped this.

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The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 06:07:38 PM 1888 Views
Perhaps we could also wait for the bodies to get cold before politicizing a tragedy? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:11:18 PM 515 Views
Indeed. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:32:41 PM 815 Views
yes. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:41:15 PM 834 Views
Well, to be fair, dude ain't got no crown. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:43:31 PM 832 Views
I suppose lack of a crown could be disconcerting damookster - 02/10/2017 07:47:46 PM 861 Views
Does that mean uncircumcised? Tom - 02/10/2017 09:16:23 PM 764 Views
Same here. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:15:29 PM 863 Views
No. It's a willful failure of policy, just like the last thousands times. We fucking can't. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:47:16 PM 835 Views
Yes.You.Could. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 848 Views
Because not politicizing the first thousand worked so well... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:52:09 PM 853 Views
Really? damookster - 02/10/2017 07:55:22 PM 814 Views
How much time is "enough time" exactly? Just until the next one so the clock can reset? *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:01:51 PM 479 Views
double post for emphasis. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 523 Views
Oh and "also"? That comment was preemptively aimed at the very sentiment you were expressing. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:54:12 PM 507 Views
It failed. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:56:19 PM 487 Views
Then you misunderstood it's purpose. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:58:15 PM 498 Views
doubtful. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:00:38 PM 717 Views
The dick move is the continual inaction and call for silence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:05:24 PM 803 Views
One or two days would defeat your purpose? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:15:49 PM 878 Views
And what if someone goes out an shoots another 50+ people tomorrow? TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:18:31 PM 769 Views
Your post on a website with 100 active users would prevent that? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:22:25 PM 493 Views
Just another argument aimed at silencing discussion *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:27:27 PM 482 Views
If you want discussion how about making specific points or suggestions? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:31:09 PM 804 Views
Stop attempting to prevent discourse because it offends your sensibilities. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:39:47 PM 821 Views
oh fuck off damookster - 02/10/2017 08:45:05 PM 820 Views
Oh please, the problem isn't a lack of ideas. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:04:18 PM 781 Views
You do realize that the guns used in Las Vegas may have already been illegal. damookster - 02/10/2017 09:14:47 PM 798 Views
Or it may have been modified with a completely legal $95 stock TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:30:44 PM 754 Views
Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:42:20 PM 812 Views
Re: Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:53:23 PM 833 Views
People who go to the bother of obtaining illegal weapons in order to kill people... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:59:52 PM 790 Views
That is why you limit access to them. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:21:32 PM 467 Views
It should be noted.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:13:19 PM 790 Views
All the more reason for federal regulation on the matter *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:49 PM 490 Views
The federal law wouldn't do much more.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:33:46 PM 825 Views
And because a law only makes a problem slightly better TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:40:00 PM 791 Views
And that would be the difference between you and me.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:45:13 PM 804 Views
You sail in the ocean blind long enough and eventually you hit an iceberg. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:51:24 PM 821 Views
Again.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:07:20 PM 817 Views
If there's an average of 1 per day, when are we not mourning? nossy - 02/10/2017 08:03:46 PM 806 Views
How about when we have better and more complete information, for one? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:11:18 PM 748 Views
A 64 year old man walked into a hotel with 10 guns TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:17:24 PM 866 Views
Which hypothesis? *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:20:51 PM 491 Views
The United States has an unaddressed problem with firearm violence. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:23:28 PM 511 Views
I agree with that premise. *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:26:58 PM 471 Views
I will always agree with that, nossy - 02/10/2017 08:19:58 PM 833 Views
That was my point. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:24:56 PM 898 Views
Eh, well nossy - 02/10/2017 08:31:43 PM 794 Views
how about something a little more tangible than "your country has a problem?" *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 530 Views
jeez, twice in one thread. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 471 Views
Weirdly, I also agree with this nossy - 02/10/2017 08:42:26 PM 728 Views
See Roland00's reply. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:47:57 PM 724 Views
Again nossy - 02/10/2017 08:59:44 PM 742 Views
Nobody said "your country is stupid" TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:06:54 PM 756 Views
The "other side" is trying to use the emotions of the moment to pass things they couldn't otherwise random thoughts - 03/10/2017 11:57:38 AM 799 Views
Lets postpone the discussion to 10/10 Roland00 - 02/10/2017 08:36:57 PM 825 Views
I have no problem with discussion. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:40:43 PM 784 Views
But, but, you lose a news cycle that way! Tom - 02/10/2017 09:14:19 PM 781 Views
"And we wonder why we have shootings like this at all..." TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:40:40 PM 736 Views
Wow step away from the spicy nachos Tom *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 09:51:00 PM 551 Views
Make that 274, 3 people dead and 2 wounded in Lawrence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:22:21 PM 779 Views
So what you would you say the solution would be? Jeordam - 02/10/2017 08:50:54 PM 800 Views
Exactly. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:52:53 PM 435 Views
Any number of the dozens of pieces of legislation that is proposed *every time* this happens TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:11:26 PM 883 Views
And yet, almost every time shootings happen, none of those measures would have done anything. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:22:51 PM 813 Views
Speculation and ignored macro-effects TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:39:30 PM 787 Views
An honest Question Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:06:16 PM 747 Views
The second amendment is part of the problem. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:30:21 PM 504 Views
And now you just lost... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:39:21 PM 808 Views
Oh the fight is already won TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:50:00 PM 809 Views
I would disagree.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:09:36 PM 790 Views
I don't think you're very educated as to Second Amendment jurisprudence. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 12:13:27 AM 885 Views
Why let silly things like facts get in the way of a good polemic? damookster - 03/10/2017 01:24:24 AM 827 Views
And it's difficult to overstate how much they advanced its reach. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 04:31:58 AM 812 Views
Yes I actually knew that damookster - 03/10/2017 04:37:40 AM 853 Views
Re: Yes I actually knew that Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 09:18:08 AM 803 Views
Question for you Ghav but also for any other RAFOite Roland00 - 03/10/2017 06:51:47 AM 851 Views
It's likely the Ferguson Effect. *NM* Tom - 03/10/2017 09:47:42 PM 456 Views
with a corresponding rise in gang activity and violence *NM* damookster - 03/10/2017 10:07:18 PM 485 Views
This too needs to be studied the Ferguson Effect Roland00 - 03/10/2017 10:43:02 PM 962 Views
It was, before they first started putting limitations on it TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:35:27 AM 910 Views
What court cases do you think are examples of the trend constricting the 2nd Amendment? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/10/2017 05:48:41 AM 449 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 818 Views
And just to say it.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:18:06 PM 814 Views
Re: some of these would never fly here TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:37:24 PM 863 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 727 Views
So let's work through these... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:09 PM 910 Views
Post to my own post.....wow *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:19 PM 455 Views
Re: So let's work through these... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:08 PM 836 Views
Ok...let's talk Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:32:58 PM 794 Views
Re: Ok...let's talk TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:02:44 PM 1074 Views
Dialogue....good. Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:17:46 PM 806 Views
Just what kind of reaction did you expect to get with a post like this? Legolas - 02/10/2017 10:10:34 PM 824 Views
For people to think about the problem rather than token sympathies. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:28:59 PM 872 Views
And the proof for that is....? *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:41:29 PM 493 Views
Killing people is the whole point of guns. The real issue is who gets killed. Cannoli - 02/10/2017 10:55:59 PM 880 Views
No use putting someone in prison if you don't lock the door after them *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:04:12 PM 464 Views
But after they get out.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:39:39 PM 783 Views
I don't think you're going about it in a very smart way, then. Legolas - 03/10/2017 12:23:33 AM 939 Views
It's never the right occasion to start talking about it. TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:39:15 AM 751 Views
But he was offering Candy, how can you say no to Candy? *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 10:31:24 PM 506 Views
I was going to make a post to this effect, but you preempted me. I agree 100%. Ghavrel - 02/10/2017 11:15:21 PM 824 Views
Re: The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! Nargs - 03/10/2017 12:58:31 AM 817 Views
Oh please TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:36:12 AM 772 Views
it is like the time buses were exploding in Israel, except it is Americans who are doing it AgentApple - 03/10/2017 06:19:56 PM 925 Views
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