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So we are back in the Age of Romanticism. Western Civilization has been there before. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 17/10/2017 12:58:04 PM

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...why I greatly dislike these young'uns.

What both of them* say is correct. What do both have in common? Feelings! We live in an age where feelings seek to rule all. From the pathology of fear to the egocentric mindset to the effort to become the ultimate victim, it all stems from feelings. It is why I say primitivism is making a huge comeback. It is about superstition and what one feels.

The greatest age we've know, the Age of Reason, is in danger of being supplanted by the Age of Feelings. We've always had our feelings and were always in danger of succumbing to them. But, at least in the past, reasoned thought, wisdom, and knowledge were held as the ideals and were tools against feelings running rampant. They are not necessarily held in such high regard any longer. It is how one feels that seeks primacy of place now. That's why the young think their "voices" are as important as anyone else's. After all, feelings, freed from reason, have no order of import. They're all as valid as any other. When feelings are paramount, then those feelings are amplified beyond what is rational. That is why fear is so prevalent now: it is unreasoned feelings let loose in the world. Fear untempered by reason is dangerous.


I think you raise some interesting points. But what causes those feelings to be held higher than reason? And is this applicable to all or just to some? Are our own views distorted by the excesses of a few?


The dominance of feelings leads to a problem, though. If all feelings are equally valid in this world, how do we decide whose feelings have the most weight? After all, we can't all have our way. The answer, my friends? Victimology. If you are a bigger victim than I am, well, your feelings are more important than mine and I must bend to your will.

So, there you go, my grand theory of the age: feelings, unmoored by reason, rule and are the source of many of our current problems.

  • "them" being Tom and Damookster

But what is the cause? I think that if we can identify a cause then we will have the beginnings of a solution to the problem at hand. Or perhaps we can't save these individuals and they will need to save themselves. Enough scientific endeavors are moving forward that I don't think we will find ourselves in a decline of civilization. And I have hopes that outside the US things are better at universities in Continental Europe that we in the Anglosphere are the isolated case. At least when I read news from Germany and Russia I don't see the primacy of feelings.

So perhaps the start of the solution is a reform of our school system and who ends up going to school. Certainly if one does a cost-benefit analysis then a university education is not for everyone.

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2487 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 988 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 903 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 843 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 601 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 849 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 566 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 533 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 890 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 852 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 932 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 511 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 505 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 812 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 925 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 897 Views
So we are back in the Age of Romanticism. Western Civilization has been there before. - 17/10/2017 12:58:04 PM 882 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 976 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 1152 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 878 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 951 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 885 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 797 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 858 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 833 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 789 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 805 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 991 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 869 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 855 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 1033 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 793 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 830 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 870 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 834 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 767 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 956 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 846 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 920 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 854 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 831 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 766 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 783 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 776 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 971 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 465 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 936 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 843 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 820 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 893 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 822 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 812 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 1043 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 937 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 999 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 946 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 1026 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 814 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 459 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 796 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 851 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 834 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 733 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 481 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 794 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 755 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 427 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 537 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 465 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 458 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 864 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 866 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 838 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 847 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 832 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 498 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 498 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 881 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 535 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 892 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 896 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 836 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 746 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 432 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 837 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 749 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 814 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 795 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 893 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 835 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 761 Views

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