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America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* random thoughts Send a noteboard - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM

View original postThough in fairness, part of that may be because America places (placed?) the limits on freedom of speech further to begin with. In here, Holocaust denial is an actual crime, and racism can be as well under certain circumstances. Homophobia is heavily frowned upon and religion isn't an accepted excuse; though on the other hand, I see much less debate about transgenderism, non-binary gender identities and so on. It would be a mistake to think Western Europe is always more liberal or more progressive on all issues than the US. It's usually less polarized though, because there is more of a consensus on many topics, with the people whose views radically differ from the consensus too small in number to have much of an impact. Abortion is a typical example - very little controversy about it by American standards, but the laws in most countries are more restrictive than in the US, being based on negotiated compromises rather than Roe v. Wade.


View original postAnother big difference is that America's political system is highly conducive to polarization into two camps, whereas most continental European countries have political landscapes with a larger number of viable parties. You still have radicalization, people railing against PC oppression, or people ranting that everyone who dares to question their socialist utopias is a fascist, but it's a bit more complex and different groups or parties may be allies on one front, opponents on another.


View original postBut anyway - admittedly I left college some years ago already and things do change quickly, but I don't think I'm that far out of touch. And I wouldn't even know what the Dutch word or equivalent is for concepts like 'safe spaces', 'microaggression', 'millennial snowflake' and the like. They aren't really things that people here talk about - not the college students themselves, and not the outsiders criticizing them. Which anyway doesn't really happen; the opinions or behaviour of college students isn't really a topic of public controversy here.

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2363 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 899 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 818 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 747 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 561 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 759 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 507 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 498 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 809 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 762 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 810 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 462 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 471 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 728 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 819 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 795 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 865 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 1059 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 781 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 793 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 794 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 707 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 769 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 750 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 705 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 726 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 901 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 782 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 754 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 930 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 710 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 746 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 771 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 736 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 679 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 871 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 767 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 833 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 766 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 742 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 681 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 694 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 696 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 886 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 426 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 856 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 776 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 730 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 790 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 734 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 734 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 886 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 828 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 849 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 855 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 861 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 730 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 423 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 720 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 772 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 718 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 644 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 440 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 724 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 673 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 393 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 499 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 435 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 421 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 785 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 795 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 757 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 757 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 734 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 460 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 465 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 799 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 495 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 801 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 818 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 750 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 668 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 398 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 746 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 651 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 728 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 713 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 790 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 758 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 686 Views

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