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Third party website? I fully support that. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 20/10/2017 12:41:33 PM

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View original postClearly you're not arguing for bans on the book, but you are arguing that seeing things in literature will create uncomfortable situations for people. I would need to see scientific studies about what these people feel. Control groups. I can't accept your arguments as they stand now because it could be based on the feelings of a few while the majority (I am only thinking of the people with the PTSD here) may not have such a negative reaction.

I can respect this, but my response is that people without PTSD simply wouldn't read the trigger warning page, much like how I don't read the page about how a book is a third edition published in 1964 and has an ISBN number and is copyrighted.

Another, perhaps simpler solution, is to simply have a website that catalogues media and provides these warnings. That way a person could seek it out if they feel it necessary to be forewarned, while others would not have it spoiled. What is your opinion on that?


That way people worried about their reactions have the choice to go visit the page. And that way the story is not spoiled for everyone else. People right now can go to Wikipedia to read the entire plot if they want to so having a third party website doesn't seem that far from that.

I still would like to see studies done - and since we are using PTSD - ask what the men and women (in whatever capacity they served such as front line nurses, etc) who fought in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq thought about the literature they were reading. Presumably none of the books had trigger warnings when the former military personnel read those books.

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And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 1015 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 904 Views
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HAHAHA! This from the person who can't even write a coherent post *NM* Tom - 20/10/2017 07:10:45 PM 517 Views
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What is your basis for arguing that "trigger warnings" are beneficial? Tom - 20/10/2017 07:19:42 PM 871 Views
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An unnecessary tool.... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 825 Views
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I would challenge that statment.... Jeordam - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 1005 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* random thoughts - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 481 Views
Forget it, mook. He's just being a silly, stupid kid. He should know better. *NM* Tom - 19/10/2017 06:17:28 AM 595 Views
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I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up nossy - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 1074 Views
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Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 474 Views
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Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this damookster - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 870 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 788 Views
damn it *NM* damookster - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 451 Views
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Maybe, maybe not... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 788 Views
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I see this as... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 831 Views
I kind of break them down into two types Vodalus - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 940 Views
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Definitely more than a bit. The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 796 Views
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