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Ha! Joke's on you! We don't do interrogatories in the criminal system. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 21/10/2017 07:01:54 AM

View original post1. Please cite the study or studies that form the basis for your conclusion that trigger warnings are useful and/or psychologically beneficial.

http://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fstl0000084 is a link to a journal article which claims that "[a]lthough clinical research generally supports the notion of trigger warnings as an accommodation for individual students diagnosed with PTSD, the effectiveness of trigger warnings in the classroom is unknown."


View original post2. List, with particularity, every proposed condition or experience that qualifies for the insertion of trigger warnings.

This is rather like me asking you for every proposed condition that qualifies for the use of American armed forces and then declaring a win for pacifism when you say you can't name them all.

Certainly I am not enough of an expert to decide. The benefit of a third party website, like I discussed with Chora above, is that you could filter by tag if you so chose.


View original post3. Provide, in detail, the proposed format through which your trigger warnings would be inserted.

I like the idea of a third party website. People could access the site, look up something, and see tags associated with that work. You could even crowd-source it, really.


View original post4. Indicate your policy, if any, for books that are currently in print and circulation, as well as any proposed modifications.

Addition to the website? Or just nothing at all, if you're going to add a new page. I'm not advocating for a legal change; in fact, I'd resist one--it goes against free speech both legally and ethically.


View original post5. Detail the anticipated cost of any and all actions you seek to implement.

I have no idea how much an extra page per book costs, but I expect it's pretty insignificant. Same for the website. Especially if it's crowdsourced.


View original post6. Provide full details on what sanctions, if any, you would use to enforce your proposed change.

None.


View original post7. Cite, with particularity, situations in which an individual was "triggered" that would reasonably justify the actions you propose.

I did a couple of posts above. Read my posts! They're illuminating displays of the SJW mindset.


View original post8. Provide an analysis that shows that your proposed actions would not have a material negative impact on Constitutional rights of citizens, publishers or others.

...?

I think you're deeply misunderstanding what I'm advocating for here. I'm not saying laws should be passed to enforce trigger warnings. Those laws would be entirely unconstitutional, and even if they weren't unconstitutional I would oppose them. I'm saying it would be a nice thing for publishers to start including in their works. Or, alternatively, for a third party site. I think honestly the third party site is probably the best option.


View original post9. Provide an analysis that shows that your proposed actions would not have a material negative impact on literature, the arts generally, or the creative process as a whole.

This just isn't possible, of course, any more than it would be if you asked an ebook enthusiast about the effects that would have.

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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What is your basis for arguing that "trigger warnings" are beneficial? Tom - 20/10/2017 07:19:42 PM 758 Views
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