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I'll search for an Italian transcript later, but... Larry Send a noteboard - 10/12/2017 03:10:06 PM

Yeah, there's been debate over the et ne inducas nos before, if I recall, in terms of clarifying for some that it's subjunctive and not indicative wish for the pastor to guide the errant sheep, not for the pastor to avoid leading said sheep.

If only English had better preserved the subjunctive/optative moods, maybe the Pope and those translating his words wouldn't risk speaking heresy in the name of clarification.

Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Pope Francis must be declared a heretic and burned. Tom - 09/12/2017 03:14:16 AM 1880 Views
Oooh, theodicy. Legolas - 09/12/2017 03:28:21 AM 1004 Views
Well, God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" a couple of times. *NM* Ghavrel - 10/12/2017 09:22:05 AM 531 Views
That’s a much better song too *NM* Tom - 10/12/2017 02:05:04 PM 619 Views
That was just so he could murder all their sons and prove he is awesome. random thoughts - 11/12/2017 09:24:16 PM 959 Views
Never heard that one. The Trainspotting song “Temptation” is much better (Crowded House sucks) *NM* Tom - 10/12/2017 02:02:37 PM 571 Views
Auto-da-fé, what's an auto-da-fé? It's what you oughtn't to do but you do anyway! *NM* Roland00 - 09/12/2017 03:55:47 AM 600 Views
Revelation 22:18, 19 damookster - 09/12/2017 07:02:55 PM 883 Views
Does it have to be fire? I do not like the smell of burnt human flesh. Is it okay with the council Roland00 - 09/12/2017 11:55:31 PM 843 Views
Only fire can purify the stain of heresy. *NM* damookster - 10/12/2017 01:21:58 AM 632 Views
We have to burn you for blasphemy by comparing Francis to Christ Tom - 10/12/2017 02:04:04 PM 882 Views
I just find this deeply ironic that is all *NM* Roland00 - 10/12/2017 08:35:26 PM 556 Views
I'll search for an Italian transcript later, but... Larry - 10/12/2017 03:10:06 PM 1079 Views
It's not subjunctive per se. It's a negative imperative, damnit. Tom - 11/12/2017 02:11:53 AM 926 Views
I hadn't seen this post before I posted... TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 04:46:07 AM 870 Views
It's been 23 years since my last Latin class Larry - 11/12/2017 04:48:54 AM 1051 Views
My mother and a family friend priest drove by today... TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 04:38:49 AM 935 Views
It's because it's *not* a translation issue, and Francis is deceiving the faithful. Tom - 11/12/2017 05:46:27 AM 915 Views
And what the fuck is wrong with this website? I didn't indent numbers and I used 1, 2, 3, 4 Tom - 11/12/2017 05:47:42 AM 983 Views
Incidentally, the numbers showed up accurately in my response while quoting, so who knows? *NM* TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 07:12:44 AM 581 Views
For the record, I'm not saying you're wrong... TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 07:11:59 AM 897 Views
You know, now that I think about it, Job isn't a good reference. TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 07:21:13 AM 1036 Views
Tom is correct, but let me make the argument that the Pope is right Roland00 - 11/12/2017 08:49:35 PM 1244 Views
If it is not a translation problem (and it isn't), then the Pope is changing the words of Christ Tom - 12/12/2017 03:43:50 PM 908 Views
I've read that "heresy" comes from words meaning 'to cut' or else to 'seize or take away' Cannoli - 12/12/2017 03:56:19 PM 931 Views
Re: If it is not a translation problem (and it isn't), then the Pope is changing the words of Christ TyrReborn - 12/12/2017 06:24:58 PM 917 Views
The vicar of Christ doesn't get to change the words of Christ. damookster - 11/12/2017 08:12:22 AM 991 Views
Fair enough. *NM* TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 05:44:46 PM 555 Views
but he is infallible ???? random thoughts - 11/12/2017 09:22:02 PM 885 Views
The Pope is only infallible in certain situations. TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 10:40:28 PM 925 Views
Link not working for you? *NM* random thoughts - 12/12/2017 12:44:23 AM 586 Views
Yes, and thankfully he wasn't making a proclamation ex cathedra. Tom - 12/12/2017 01:09:25 AM 894 Views
I mean...I love me some theology... Jeordam - 11/12/2017 10:56:34 PM 969 Views
The problem is that I don't think he was thinking at all Tom - 13/12/2017 06:22:14 PM 834 Views
No arguments here Cannoli - 12/12/2017 03:51:59 PM 894 Views
Well, I needed to at least mention the Orthodoxy-Catholicism split Tom - 12/12/2017 05:01:54 PM 1000 Views
Can't you just depose him. The Shrike - 13/12/2017 05:49:59 PM 842 Views
I could, but where's the fun in that? Tom - 13/12/2017 06:20:18 PM 966 Views
Because he would have to live with being deposed. The Shrike - 13/12/2017 07:05:35 PM 861 Views
As Stalin said, Нет человека, нет проблемы Tom - 13/12/2017 09:06:44 PM 937 Views
Like fire / Hellfire / This fire in my skin / This burning / Desire / Is turning me to sin *NM* Roland00 - 13/12/2017 09:21:16 PM 648 Views
How about we just send him to Avignon. The Shrike - 13/12/2017 11:31:25 PM 915 Views
If we send him in a soundproof box so all he can do is waive endlessly, sure! Tom - 14/12/2017 12:32:04 AM 926 Views
Schrodinger's Pope(s)? *NM* Roland00 - 15/12/2017 10:01:35 PM 534 Views
That would be fun. No one would know if he's alive or dead. *NM* Tom - 16/12/2017 03:50:13 AM 511 Views
Waive endlessly? Larry - 18/12/2017 03:06:39 AM 1037 Views
It's the consequence of writing this in between contract revisions Tom - 18/12/2017 02:52:15 PM 1091 Views
I've had that happen before, minus the contract legalese Larry - 20/12/2017 03:43:50 AM 903 Views
music to burn heretics by... damookster - 13/12/2017 10:44:51 PM 1037 Views
That is truly obscure Tom - 14/12/2017 12:39:43 AM 881 Views
It could be worse, my favorite 2 christmas albums are Roland00 - 14/12/2017 03:25:38 AM 893 Views
Sounds like your father was a wise man *NM* random thoughts - 14/12/2017 12:54:20 PM 562 Views
And he's still going nearly 50 years later... Simon - 16/12/2017 02:32:41 PM 1715 Views
That’s amazing. He’s still crazy. *NM* damookster - 16/12/2017 03:31:36 PM 549 Views
Agreed. *NM* Simon - 01/01/2018 01:59:14 PM 1103 Views
I'd like to thank everyone who replied to get the folder on fire. It adds a je ne sais quoi to it. *NM* Tom - 19/12/2017 05:10:02 PM 552 Views
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