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I just believe the stupidity came earlier fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 18/07/2018 12:09:20 AM

The problem with saying this is just Trump being stupid is that it requires a remarkable coincidence of his stupidity with the very real actions of Russian intelligence, under Putin.

It sounds like a last ditch insanity defense.

Also, if he is this stupid, what the hell are they waiting for before impeaching him, and why should his governance choices be respected or enforced?

I believe it was stupidity. I believe the Trump campaign stupidly asked Russia for help, because it was run by a bunch of hacks who didn't even know this was illegal. I believe they stupidly took meetings at the highest levels, thinking that they would lose anyway, but this way they keep their Russian friends happy.

I do not believe Trump saw himself as a manchurian candidate who would become President and do Russia's bidding. I think he saw the candidacy as a way to enrich himself, and appease his Russian debt owners. Then he won, and now he's caught in the thick of it.

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trump is not the first US president to hand the white house to the russian government moondog - 17/07/2018 07:22:36 PM 1654 Views
It's amazing to me when so-called liberals use homophobic imagery to make their points. The Shrike - 17/07/2018 07:31:28 PM 1108 Views
It is unusual, isn't it? But I'm sure it's "okay" because his agenda is "virtuous". *NM* Tom - 17/07/2018 08:01:12 PM 630 Views
They are like the white kid who thinks it is ok to use the n word because they have black friends *NM* random thoughts - 30/07/2018 05:58:44 PM 621 Views
What about Ted Kennedy's alleged 1984 request to Andropov to help him win the Presidency? Tom - 17/07/2018 07:59:12 PM 1104 Views
This isn't based on the Steele dossier fionwe1987 - 17/07/2018 08:50:04 PM 1109 Views
Hanlon's razor, really. Legolas - 17/07/2018 11:50:17 PM 1144 Views
It wouldn't be the first time. damookster - 17/07/2018 11:57:13 PM 1011 Views
I just believe the stupidity came earlier fionwe1987 - 18/07/2018 12:09:20 AM 1084 Views
Apparently you also believe Putin is equally stupid. damookster - 18/07/2018 12:15:29 AM 1013 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2018 03:35:33 AM 1002 Views
Obviously damookster - 18/07/2018 03:49:34 AM 1086 Views
Oh please fionwe1987 - 18/07/2018 05:39:01 AM 1013 Views
Mookie Roland00 - 18/07/2018 04:13:03 PM 1070 Views
Well said. fionwe1987 - 18/07/2018 06:03:17 PM 1068 Views
Notice how everyone claims to understand what Russia wants? Tom - 22/07/2018 05:55:44 AM 1058 Views
What does Russia actually want? Anonymous2000 - 22/07/2018 04:15:07 PM 1091 Views
To be treated and respected as a significant power Tom - 23/07/2018 04:20:26 PM 1175 Views
I don't think we have had a President who was any good at foreign policy since Nixon. damookster - 23/07/2018 06:00:55 PM 1082 Views
Thanks, that was a very interesting read. Legolas - 23/07/2018 10:39:07 PM 1056 Views
There are other countries other than the US and Russia, but... Tom - 24/07/2018 03:44:03 PM 1090 Views
Outstanding read, I need some time to digest and then I will reply with some questions. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/07/2018 10:57:07 PM 648 Views
New questions..... Anonymous2000 - 24/07/2018 01:19:04 AM 1088 Views
So many ways to answer this Roland00 - 24/07/2018 03:16:30 AM 1121 Views
That was a good answer. *NM* Tom - 24/07/2018 04:13:50 PM 612 Views
Yeltsin picked Putin due to his experience under Sobchak Tom - 24/07/2018 03:54:20 PM 1106 Views
I'm surprised this thread hasn't attracted Joel out of hibernation just to dispute you. *NM* damookster - 24/07/2018 04:04:24 PM 638 Views
I would have no idea if he did. I blocked him. He's a complete moron. *NM* Tom - 24/07/2018 04:11:25 PM 650 Views
*Claps* well said. *NM* Roland00 - 24/07/2018 03:33:41 AM 620 Views
Honest question fionwe1987 - 26/07/2018 05:50:38 PM 1119 Views
Very interesting essay Tom. *NM* Simon - 31/07/2018 03:54:26 PM 1193 Views
Here is another interesting Russian History Summary (I would also like some Tom Feedback.) Roland00 - 29/07/2018 02:36:46 AM 1141 Views
If by "interesting" you mean shitty, then perhaps. Tom - 29/07/2018 03:54:34 PM 1083 Views
I’ve always suspected... damookster - 22/07/2018 06:45:28 PM 981 Views
Of course Tom - 23/07/2018 04:22:32 PM 1076 Views
Mental Shorthand Roland00 - 24/07/2018 03:20:05 AM 1072 Views
And how about Obama trying to defeat Netanyahu a few years ago? Anonymous2000 - 18/07/2018 03:31:00 AM 1014 Views
Hey, that was also Soros *NM* AgentApple - 18/07/2018 09:13:55 AM 593 Views
Oh look. Evidence-less claims and insulting imagery. What a surprise. *NM* TyrReborn - 17/07/2018 08:24:49 PM 1083 Views
Not sure what the point of the homophobic imagery is... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2018 08:38:42 PM 1069 Views
I don't read much news.... Jeordam - 17/07/2018 10:55:31 PM 1055 Views
Re: I don't read much news.... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2018 11:17:01 PM 1073 Views
Re: I don't read much news.... Cannoli - 18/07/2018 12:19:54 AM 1110 Views
It appears you don't read much news either, Cannoli... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2018 06:23:12 AM 1010 Views
I agree with everything you have said, barring one thing: Ghavrel - 20/07/2018 12:14:14 PM 1052 Views
Hmm fionwe1987 - 21/07/2018 03:25:03 AM 1009 Views
Re: Hmm Ghavrel - 21/07/2018 03:46:12 AM 1034 Views
Re: Hmm fionwe1987 - 26/07/2018 05:58:19 PM 1007 Views
We see the world differently.... Jeordam - 18/07/2018 11:08:27 PM 1021 Views
Moondog be better than the NYT Opinion section please *NM* Roland00 - 18/07/2018 12:17:03 AM 577 Views
As opposed to the Presidents who did it to Stalin, the actual tyrant, complete with genocide & WMDs? Cannoli - 18/07/2018 12:47:57 AM 1018 Views
moondog = *NM* damookster - 04/08/2018 05:52:18 PM 562 Views
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