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There are other countries other than the US and Russia, but... Tom Send a noteboard - 24/07/2018 03:44:03 PM

...as long as there are great powers, or superpowers, or hyperpowers, those other countries will end up being used as pawns.

Ukraine, for example, just shifted from being a pawn of Russia to being a pawn of the US (as it has several times since its independence was recognized). Its government is fundamentally corrupt and so we simply outbid the Russians after capitalizing on discontent over the failure of the EU treaty under Yanukovich.

The only way we could stop that is for all the major powers to agree to stop attempting to play games to influence other countries. Even then, note that Russia didn't intervene militarily in 2004 when Ukraine shifted camps because there was no NATO threat implicit in that.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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trump is not the first US president to hand the white house to the russian government moondog - 17/07/2018 07:22:36 PM 1367 Views
It's amazing to me when so-called liberals use homophobic imagery to make their points. The Shrike - 17/07/2018 07:31:28 PM 789 Views
It is unusual, isn't it? But I'm sure it's "okay" because his agenda is "virtuous". *NM* Tom - 17/07/2018 08:01:12 PM 490 Views
They are like the white kid who thinks it is ok to use the n word because they have black friends *NM* random thoughts - 30/07/2018 05:58:44 PM 465 Views
What about Ted Kennedy's alleged 1984 request to Andropov to help him win the Presidency? Tom - 17/07/2018 07:59:12 PM 805 Views
This isn't based on the Steele dossier fionwe1987 - 17/07/2018 08:50:04 PM 783 Views
Hanlon's razor, really. Legolas - 17/07/2018 11:50:17 PM 826 Views
It wouldn't be the first time. damookster - 17/07/2018 11:57:13 PM 723 Views
I just believe the stupidity came earlier fionwe1987 - 18/07/2018 12:09:20 AM 734 Views
Apparently you also believe Putin is equally stupid. damookster - 18/07/2018 12:15:29 AM 723 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2018 03:35:33 AM 712 Views
Obviously damookster - 18/07/2018 03:49:34 AM 802 Views
Oh please fionwe1987 - 18/07/2018 05:39:01 AM 727 Views
Mookie Roland00 - 18/07/2018 04:13:03 PM 773 Views
Well said. fionwe1987 - 18/07/2018 06:03:17 PM 738 Views
Notice how everyone claims to understand what Russia wants? Tom - 22/07/2018 05:55:44 AM 757 Views
What does Russia actually want? Anonymous2000 - 22/07/2018 04:15:07 PM 783 Views
To be treated and respected as a significant power Tom - 23/07/2018 04:20:26 PM 814 Views
I don't think we have had a President who was any good at foreign policy since Nixon. damookster - 23/07/2018 06:00:55 PM 758 Views
Thanks, that was a very interesting read. Legolas - 23/07/2018 10:39:07 PM 720 Views
There are other countries other than the US and Russia, but... Tom - 24/07/2018 03:44:03 PM 757 Views
Outstanding read, I need some time to digest and then I will reply with some questions. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/07/2018 10:57:07 PM 482 Views
New questions..... Anonymous2000 - 24/07/2018 01:19:04 AM 732 Views
So many ways to answer this Roland00 - 24/07/2018 03:16:30 AM 813 Views
That was a good answer. *NM* Tom - 24/07/2018 04:13:50 PM 447 Views
Yeltsin picked Putin due to his experience under Sobchak Tom - 24/07/2018 03:54:20 PM 772 Views
I'm surprised this thread hasn't attracted Joel out of hibernation just to dispute you. *NM* damookster - 24/07/2018 04:04:24 PM 470 Views
I would have no idea if he did. I blocked him. He's a complete moron. *NM* Tom - 24/07/2018 04:11:25 PM 490 Views
*Claps* well said. *NM* Roland00 - 24/07/2018 03:33:41 AM 448 Views
Honest question fionwe1987 - 26/07/2018 05:50:38 PM 834 Views
Very interesting essay Tom. *NM* Simon - 31/07/2018 03:54:26 PM 1016 Views
Here is another interesting Russian History Summary (I would also like some Tom Feedback.) Roland00 - 29/07/2018 02:36:46 AM 836 Views
If by "interesting" you mean shitty, then perhaps. Tom - 29/07/2018 03:54:34 PM 768 Views
I’ve always suspected... damookster - 22/07/2018 06:45:28 PM 707 Views
Of course Tom - 23/07/2018 04:22:32 PM 732 Views
Mental Shorthand Roland00 - 24/07/2018 03:20:05 AM 747 Views
And how about Obama trying to defeat Netanyahu a few years ago? Anonymous2000 - 18/07/2018 03:31:00 AM 700 Views
Hey, that was also Soros *NM* AgentApple - 18/07/2018 09:13:55 AM 446 Views
Oh look. Evidence-less claims and insulting imagery. What a surprise. *NM* TyrReborn - 17/07/2018 08:24:49 PM 474 Views
Not sure what the point of the homophobic imagery is... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2018 08:38:42 PM 749 Views
I don't read much news.... Jeordam - 17/07/2018 10:55:31 PM 734 Views
Re: I don't read much news.... fionwe1987 - 17/07/2018 11:17:01 PM 724 Views
Re: I don't read much news.... Cannoli - 18/07/2018 12:19:54 AM 774 Views
It appears you don't read much news either, Cannoli... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2018 06:23:12 AM 682 Views
I agree with everything you have said, barring one thing: Ghavrel - 20/07/2018 12:14:14 PM 746 Views
Hmm fionwe1987 - 21/07/2018 03:25:03 AM 712 Views
Re: Hmm Ghavrel - 21/07/2018 03:46:12 AM 751 Views
Re: Hmm fionwe1987 - 26/07/2018 05:58:19 PM 702 Views
We see the world differently.... Jeordam - 18/07/2018 11:08:27 PM 690 Views
Moondog be better than the NYT Opinion section please *NM* Roland00 - 18/07/2018 12:17:03 AM 435 Views
As opposed to the Presidents who did it to Stalin, the actual tyrant, complete with genocide & WMDs? Cannoli - 18/07/2018 12:47:57 AM 708 Views
moondog = *NM* damookster - 04/08/2018 05:52:18 PM 412 Views
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