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That's individuals policing speech, not society. Agregate individual action =/= collective action Cannoli Send a noteboard - 21/08/2018 04:25:23 PM


It isn't supposed to do so in any way involving government action, true, but even the most liberal of societies police speech. Meaning, you can say whatever you like, but there are and should be societal consequences. Make racist anti-Jewish rants? I'm not going to invite you to my parties.

Antisemitophobe! But, yeah, this is exactly how it goes and what is meant by freedom of association. Freedom of association is the only acceptable check on free speech. And it HAS to go both ways. Whether the freedom to disallow anti-semites OR Jews from your association. If you don't have to write "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler" on a cake (and you shouldn't), you also don't have to put two groom or two bride figures on top of a wedding cake.
Nor will I patronize your business. As a potential employer, I might not hire you. To say that "freedom of speech" is somehow equal to "freedom from consequences for my speech" is ludicrous. A sufficiently liberal society would be reluctant to use such tools; confining it to only those who represent the most extreme and/or dangerous views. And shouldn't be used to silence those with "controversial" views, as you should have a right to "speak". But again, as with many things in life, you should have the freedom to do it, but are not free from the consequences.

Exactly. So long as the consequences are the result of individual choice, and not legislation or judicial action.

Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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However much of a hypocrite moondog is, the article, I feel, represents something else Cannoli - 16/08/2018 05:51:59 AM 523 Views
Agreed that they went way too far by including everyday useage of the word, sucks. damookster - 16/08/2018 02:15:54 PM 489 Views
Phobia fionwe1987 - 16/08/2018 10:55:05 PM 510 Views
You don't even understand oral sex? Cannoli - 17/08/2018 12:43:50 AM 497 Views
Get to a sex education class, won't you? Or at least, use Google fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 05:29:25 AM 445 Views
I am a normal male person, who had conversations with other male people. Cannoli - 17/08/2018 08:25:48 AM 468 Views
Yes, yes, you're so male, your penis has a penis. We get it. fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 04:13:09 PM 527 Views
Re: Yes, yes, you're so male, your penis has a penis. We get it. Cannoli - 19/08/2018 03:23:10 AM 518 Views
You are wrong about Cannoli. damookster - 17/08/2018 02:49:35 AM 512 Views
No fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 05:41:22 AM 486 Views
Re: No Cannoli - 19/08/2018 03:29:15 AM 528 Views
Cannoli is right: "sucks" implies the active party in oral sex Tom - 17/08/2018 03:04:40 AM 595 Views
That would be the "receptive partner" in scientific terminology fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 05:44:16 AM 482 Views
Fuck scientific terminology. It blows. Cannoli - 17/08/2018 08:26:16 AM 489 Views
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There's a pretty simple test, I think fionwe1987 - 17/08/2018 08:02:31 PM 489 Views
Once again...who are you to make that determination. Jeordam - 17/08/2018 09:54:41 PM 462 Views
*I* don't make the determination, liberal society did. fionwe1987 - 18/08/2018 12:02:22 AM 502 Views
So for clarity damookster - 18/08/2018 01:28:17 AM 498 Views
Yes! fionwe1987 - 18/08/2018 01:46:05 AM 480 Views
Who said I was surprised? damookster - 18/08/2018 02:10:46 AM 484 Views
Re: Who said I was surprised? fionwe1987 - 18/08/2018 02:32:41 AM 498 Views
Are you asking a serious question? damookster - 18/08/2018 02:45:03 AM 509 Views
Yes, I was fionwe1987 - 18/08/2018 01:59:48 PM 509 Views
"liberal" society does not police speech Cannoli - 19/08/2018 03:31:54 AM 499 Views
You don't need to protect speech everyone agrees with. *NM* Hieshyn - 19/08/2018 06:02:17 PM 368 Views
It most certainly *does* police speech. LiterateDog - 20/08/2018 03:01:32 PM 493 Views
But to follow up on that. LiterateDog - 20/08/2018 03:16:07 PM 496 Views
Well, that's why we didn't stop with the FIRST Amendment *NM* Cannoli - 21/08/2018 04:25:53 PM 251 Views
That's individuals policing speech, not society. Agregate individual action =/= collective action Cannoli - 21/08/2018 04:25:23 PM 508 Views
I completely agree. LiterateDog - 21/08/2018 04:35:38 PM 465 Views
heh, heh, heh damookster - 21/08/2018 05:00:32 PM 476 Views
Hump it like you mean it! LiterateDog - 21/08/2018 07:00:01 PM 524 Views
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About the casual part fionwe1987 - 16/08/2018 10:33:45 PM 471 Views
I don't think it's appropriate, but I think it's more about sexual shaming Tom - 16/08/2018 10:35:53 PM 544 Views
Precisely fionwe1987 - 16/08/2018 10:59:42 PM 507 Views
You are absolutely correct damookster - 17/08/2018 02:43:21 AM 500 Views
I, for one, am glad to see this topic go flaming. aerocontrols - 17/08/2018 05:16:55 PM 563 Views
Yes, it is a tool used by those who should "know better". LiterateDog - 20/08/2018 03:14:30 PM 465 Views
well said damookster - 20/08/2018 03:50:50 PM 517 Views
Sigh I foresee 7 days of homosexual prison jokes in the near future in media adjacent places Roland00 - 22/08/2018 04:42:23 AM 439 Views
I think our casual acceptance of rape as part of prison is a major moral failure random thoughts - 22/08/2018 03:41:38 PM 459 Views
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