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It may not have been true several decades ago, but it certainly is now. Legolas Send a noteboard - 28/08/2018 07:12:47 PM

View original postAs Cannoli wrote, Fox has always been treated as the other, attacked for supposedly low quality repeatedly even on Wotmania's heyday.

A good part of that criticism is because Fox does in fact love scaremongering, but fine, whatever. It's not about whether the liberal media is right or wrong to bash Fox - it's about whether Fox actually has the power and the influence. Seems pretty hard to deny that it does. So if Shapiro or certain other conservatives keep railing against 'the media' as if 'the media' were some nefarious left-wing monolithical entity, that's just because playing the underdog is nice for propaganda purposes.
View original postI recall seeing 'Arrival' last year. A very good product of Hollywood. Spoilers for this paragraph: There's a bit there when the linguist scientist is on her way to her car, right after her lecture is cancelled but before she is recruited. She is talking with her mom, and you can only hear her side of the conversation. She says something like, "No mom, we don't yet. Well, I told you not to listen to that channel. Those people are always playing up the hysteria" or something like that. She doesn't need to name the channel because you know what Hollywood means because it's been harped by the media forever.

Hollywood is obviously left-wing, yes - see my reply to Cannoli for some further thoughts on that.
View original postThere is a parallel situation in the Israeli media, btw. It used to be you had 3 major newspapers, one on the left (Haaretz) and two others more centric. However, all three papers were always very anti-Netanyahu and mostly anti-Likud.

That would be Maariv and Yedioth Ahronoth?
View original postBut this became evident only when a 4th paper ("Israel Hayom" was started which took a pro-Netanyahu approach. Before this new paper I dare say people were like fish oblivious to the water. Israel Hayon is now the biggest paper but it would be disingenuous to call it part of the media, or media establishment. It was also the subject of attempted legislation aimed at curbing its circulation by disallowing free papers.

Pro-Netanyahu or pro-Bennett? As much as I dislike Netanyahu, he's been looking like the hostage of the far-right for a good while now, at least from an outsider's perspective...

Anyhow, to get back to the point, your argument makes as little sense as Cannoli's. According to Wikipedia, Israel Hayom has the largest readership of all Israeli newspapers, so that makes it a pretty big player in 'the media', as long as it's allowed to operate of course. And here as well, the government is in the hands of the parties it supports. Whether the other three major newspapers, or the political left, like it or not is pretty immaterial.

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Ben Shapiro totally nails it with today's column about John McCain damookster - 27/08/2018 07:03:51 PM 889 Views
Re: Ben Shapiro totally nails it with today's column about John McCain HyogaRott - 27/08/2018 07:40:34 PM 575 Views
not exactly damookster - 27/08/2018 07:44:51 PM 516 Views
Re: not exactly HyogaRott - 31/08/2018 06:00:23 PM 547 Views
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You are so amazingly, hilariously lacking in self-awareness Cannoli - 28/08/2018 08:13:46 AM 532 Views
So I've got to ask. Legolas - 27/08/2018 11:36:07 PM 450 Views
when you say "every other American conservative," do you mean literally every second one? damookster - 27/08/2018 11:51:32 PM 536 Views
I didn't exactly count them. But it sometimes sure seems like it. Legolas - 28/08/2018 12:08:12 AM 511 Views
Fox and the mainstream... fionwe1987 - 28/08/2018 12:31:30 AM 537 Views
Except the left persists on treating Fox as a partisan aberration and CNN & MSNBC as mainstream Cannoli - 28/08/2018 07:53:43 AM 501 Views
Re: So I've got to ask. Cannoli - 28/08/2018 08:05:45 AM 535 Views
And who is 'no one', exactly? Legolas - 28/08/2018 06:51:10 PM 459 Views
That would be true, if historical context was not a thing AgentApple - 28/08/2018 03:36:56 PM 449 Views
Yes damookster - 28/08/2018 04:17:24 PM 420 Views
It may not have been true several decades ago, but it certainly is now. Legolas - 28/08/2018 07:12:47 PM 469 Views
Liberal Media / The Media is a mental shortcut Roland00 - 28/08/2018 07:42:32 PM 586 Views
~displays Reactance to being called out for employing rhetorical heuristics~ damookster - 28/08/2018 08:05:44 PM 476 Views
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Yeah, that's not a particularly representative election to pick, is it? Legolas - 29/08/2018 08:01:03 AM 476 Views
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