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You can dismiss any movement by focusing only on its extreme members or manifestations. Legolas Send a noteboard - 18/10/2018 11:30:02 PM

View original postYou can sugarcoat it all you want but believe the accuser until it is disproven id what we are seeing. The push is to use extra legal methods to punish men who are accused when there is not enough evidence to support charged in court. We saw it with our universities where male students were kicked out of school for being accused and were often denied even the most basic self defense rights. We are seeing it in the NFL where players and suspended and looses millions for being accused of assault even when the local prosecutors say there is conflicting reports and they doubt the accuser. The Cowboys start running back was suspended last season even though the women accusing him had texted him saying should would ruin his life and everyone would believe because she was a white women. The #metoo movement has become more like the black lives matter movement and turned into a monster that will do the movement more harm than good. The backlash to the Kavanaugh hearings has closed the enthusiasm gap. You can't let the crazies dive the buss.

Whether you're talking about MeToo or Black Lives Matter, people looking for excuses to dismiss them will find them easily enough, but that doesn't mean much. And in America's hyper-polarized society, the one political side souring on such a movement and starting to attack it almost guarantees that the other side will only find itself warming more to it (sort of like how Democratic and Republican voters radically changed their views on the FBI or on Russia in opposite directions at more or less the same time).

Though the difference between the two is that 'the MeToo movement' isn't even really an organized movement at all, so trying to narrow it down to this or that controversial position makes even less sense than it does with BLM.

As for closing the enthusiasm gap - we'll have to wait and see for the elections, but it doesn't seem to have made much of a difference compared to the trends you'd have seen in any case? The numbers look a bit worse for Democrats now, sure, but it was always likely to go in that direction in the home stretch of the campaign unless they got some particularly good news or the Republicans some particularly bad.

Looks like the Democrats will win the House and regain a lot of lost ground in governor mansions and state legislatures, but not make any gains in the Senate. Though then again, with that historically awful Senate map for the Dems, that's not a bad result. In the long run, who knows, they might even be happy that they didn't get President Clinton in 2016, since that would almost certainly have led to a historical walloping in 2018 that could easily have put the Senate into solid Republican control until 2024 if not longer.

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